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...imo. what 80's pop bands were good, goran? |
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let's first find out whether you find post punk, new wave to be pop music? if yes i can name a lot. if not then the cure and roxy music for example :) |
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american new wave (ie blondie, the knack, etc) definitely was utterly commercial pop. post punk - i don't think so. again, things were different in america than in europe, so it's hard to compare. |
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yeah, there was definitely a difference. new order for example are meant to be post punk, personally i find it not that different to blondie - i like a few of their songs actually :) |
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yeah, i agree about that. joy division sounds more like post punk to me than new order. but what the heck do i know? |
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oh man, if you don't no one does :) |
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ok, guys, break it up! |
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>well, for example punk and new wave were pretty >massive in 80's and it was hardly boring stupid shit >as the stuff that's on top of charts nowdays..even pop >was much better in those days..it seems like people >just don't care about what they listen to nowdays.. didnt bother reading rest of thread but ... we have a distorted view of musical history. only the best stuff from the 80's etc (even from the pop genres) is remembered these days. there was just as much throwaway cash-in crap around then, but it does not get remembered. Hence you are left with the illusion that even the crap from the 80s is better than the crap now. I dont think this is the case. The only real change is that there is more of everything now. More crap, more good stuff, more mainstream releases and more underground releases. |
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well im not so much concerned about the music output then and now, as much as people. im not 100% sure what's with that in uk, but overhere it's a complete difference. for example, when our first real punk band in 1978 made a gig about 5000 attended, nowdays you don't see more than 100 people at any alternative gig.. |
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there are so many different scenes nowadays. in the old days all the kids that wanted to be underground went to the same places and listened to the same music. i think it's more diverse now. |
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im not sure i agree on that completly. i mean obviously it was different, but when i go out see gigs nowdays - i go see a lot of all possible genres and i always (!!) meet same 50 people, so there. |
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i agree. before 80's music got popular again, all i heard about was how much the 80's sucked. the music. the fasion. the presidents. then all of a sudden 80's is fucking cool again and I'm like, did you fucking forget about Poison and Ratt and fucking Roxette and Debbie Gibson and Tiffany and those stupid fucking hats with the flaps on the back and muscle pants and the fucking brat pack? |
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poison and roxette are more 90's stuff though. i liked roxette quite a bit btw. |
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Oh man, i'm old. it's all a blur to me now. |
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It's Billy Joel’s fault. In 1982 Billy Joel’s "52nd Street" was released, a new format that gave the public better quality audio allegedly. After that there was a boom in people buying their whole record collections again. Record companies needed more staff as all their back catalogue sprang to life and it was the begining of re-issues at inflated costs to the gullible public. Now, most record companies are totally inefficient and know shit all about developing bands/artists. If your first attempt in the public arena fails you are dropped. That's why there's soo much crap about, not mp3s or the kids being nonchalant or apathetic. The music industry is rotten. |
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god, billy joel sucks so much... |
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right. the thing is music industry could be doing the same thing with good bands but since they're not concerned with music itself at all that will never happen. not now when they completly ruined everything. people who know nothing about music should never be allowed to work in music industry. |
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They don't know a good band when they see one. The Whole A&R thing has been systematically been broken down over the years. It's not too dissimilar to |
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right, but people don't really resist..they just accept what they get.. |
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the attraction of being a succesful signed musical artist is huge and seductive * make music instead of doing a boring job * * make lots of money * * shag supermodels * * snort miles and miles of coke * * go down in history * etc. Hence the music scene is clogged up with millions of hopefuls trying to make it. Meanwhile its getting easier and easier to make 'good enough' music, although 'really really good' music always was and always will be hard to make. End result: who has success and who doesnt is largely random. Genuine talent and originality are easily lost amoung the noise of millions of hopefuls. The Lesson: Trying to make a living from music is like buying a lottery ticket. Its fun to think about winning, and you might win, but dont get too down if you dont. Corrolary: Music Industry churns out whatever sells. Even working that out is pretty hard. Did you know that 80% of all released albums never make a profit? |
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Now you can have your own private rebellion in your bedroom though. You don't need to listen to the radio or tv to get what you want. You can find like minded people in a passive way through the internet and go about normal life and feel satisfied. It's less visible but it's the same as it allways was. |
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"You can find like minded people in a passive way through the internet and go about normal life" that is true, but doesn't it bother you to live among people who don't think for themselves but just accept what rotten people sell them? i know im bothered. i'd love to see some decent gigs around here but no one wants to organize one because it is certain they will never cover costs..those who know music a bit better should start education music audience though it's really hard to belive things could change.. |
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The game has changed, but a goal is a goal. Khonnor is a present hero in my eyes for doing his thing and getting quotes like 'Magnificent' (new york times), 'Remarkable.. the sound of undiluted heartache' (the observer), ' Mitt liv hade varit fattigare om jag inte hade fatt hora den' (6/6 Svenska Dagbladet) His music is punk as fuck! Punk is an ethos rather than a music style, DIY and that's it. That helps me think that it's not all bad. |
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"that is true, but doesn't it bother you to live among people who don't think for themselves but just accept what rotten people sell them? " it bothers me, but it would bother me more if all these ignorant sheep were into the same things as me. |
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If one's just commenting on "pop music", a lot of the "better" pop music is also quite retro, which isn't very healthy, I don't suppose. I can't explain my point as I'm too tired and a bit whipsy. |
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It's your fault, tolstoyed. |
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This has been a good read. Jivver, yoy share my same sentiment about punk being a state of mind. Excellent! Carry on. Oh, it's always nice to see someone shares my view about pulp. <3 |
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your thoughts and ideas are just a blip. just enjoy the things you do, and be greatful you can appricate things more than most people ever will! :) |
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stale. |
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got a better idea mate? |
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whose |
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yes ofcourse, there's more modern music that i enjoy, it's not artists fault by any means. there's plenty of great stuff around, and lots of critics appreciate it as well, it's just the majority of people not giving a fcuk about it..even the ones they call themselves music connoisseurs. and yes, punk isn't limited to one genre ofcourse. hobbes, i was affraid of that..im working on it though. evolume, "it bothers me, but it would bother me more if all these ignorant sheep were into the same things as me." we are different then, i sure would love to see more people appreciate good stuff :) |
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