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epohs
from )C: on 2005-11-07 16:29 [#01772380]
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who gives a fuck?
baby jesus gives a fuck. he cries every time you launch maxthon.
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J198
from Maastricht (Netherlands, The) on 2005-11-07 16:33 [#01772382]
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maxthon fucking rules.
i think UZIM recommended it, when it was still called myIE2. thanks uzim!
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2005-11-07 16:35 [#01772384]
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1: the entire mass of web developers give a fuck 2: "perfectly" must be relative then, as firefox actually works better than maxthon on correct pages. that maxthon is used simply becasue it renders "IE only" pages only contributes to more people creating more "IE only" pages, which are a fucking annoyance and one more step further towards microsofts software(compatibility) monopoly.
I don't see why you'd want to use an inferior browser that promotes inferior web-pages and inferior web-development..?
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epohs
from )C: on 2005-11-07 16:39 [#01772387]
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i am hopeful that IE7 will be better... although, the screenshots aren't particularly encouraging.
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2005-11-07 16:41 [#01772388]
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well, no matter what it looks like, they'll still be using their own silly standards and keep fucking up everything...
*mumble mumble borders mumble inside mumble*
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obara
from Utrecht on 2005-11-07 16:44 [#01772390]
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me-the-same. tabbrowsing is shit in opera. as i remember.
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epohs
from )C: on 2005-11-07 16:45 [#01772392]
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they are making significant steps toward being more standards compliant. it's still not going to be perfect, but it will be beter.
linq
of course, it is just a reaction to firefox's surprising gain in market percentage and it only has to be good enough to stop people from defecting, but still it's a step in right direction.
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epohs
from )C: on 2005-11-07 16:49 [#01772398]
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These four bugs in particular will open schloads of doors for more "modern" (a relative term since most of these have been standards since like 1998) web features.
# CSS 2.1 Selector support (child, adjacent, attribute, first-child etc.)
# CSS 2.1 Fixed positioning # Alpha channel in PNG images # Fix :hover on all elements
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2005-11-07 16:50 [#01772400]
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*holds up a sign saying "FULL COMPLIANCY OR PHUQ U MICROSOPHT!" and starts marching in the streets*
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giginger
from Milky Beans (United Kingdom) on 2005-11-07 16:53 [#01772402]
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The Beta isn't encouraging either.
Maxthon..... maxthon CHRIST IT SUCKS! I installed it and got worried by the amount of shit trying to install at teh same fucking time. I tried it, realised it was IE with extra shit but the same fucking problems and uninstalled it.
Back to firefox for me. Ideally I want a 100% standards compliant browser. Is that so fucking much to ask?
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giginger
from Milky Beans (United Kingdom) on 2005-11-07 16:56 [#01772404]
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If every major site turned round and said, we're going to stop designing our sites so that they work in IE, then Microsoft would quickly change IE to conform. That's all that's needed. The onus wouldn't be on the sites/designers. They could set it so that if they came with IE there would be a warning about the site and how to remedy the situation etc.
I fucking hate IE.
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epohs
from )C: on 2005-11-07 16:56 [#01772405]
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oh yeah, don't get me wrong, i lose sleep due to my seething hatred for microsofts business tactics. it would take an unbelievably strong showing by IE7 and some huge fuckups by mozilla to make me leave firefox.
still though, if i can ditch javascript menus and use :hover on divs instead AND start using transparent pngs in client sites i will be significantly happier.
(fuck IE. fuck it in its backward arse.)
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2005-11-07 16:59 [#01772406]
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yeah
opacity and full css support is A+++++ grade!
I'm having trouble right now with a page that gets extra scrollbars in IE no matter what I do unless I create lots of container divs, and I shouldn't have to do that!!!
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2005-11-07 17:00 [#01772407]
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word!
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2005-11-07 17:16 [#01772417]
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god damnit you guys jinxed me! now my flash isn't working with adblock either!!!
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2005-11-07 17:39 [#01772427]
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a quick look on the comments for adblock, however, fixed that.
adblock stopped development and adblock plus took over. it works with flash 8. get it!
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epohs
from )C: on 2005-11-07 17:40 [#01772430]
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you using 1.5 ?
i am and i think it is great.
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2005-11-07 17:43 [#01772434]
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1.5 of..?
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epohs
from )C: on 2005-11-07 17:48 [#01772438]
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Firefox 1.5
well, 1.5 RC1, that is?
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2005-11-07 17:53 [#01772442]
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oooohhh.. beta thingie...
no, I'm using the normal one.. didn't even know there was a beta, as I depend on that auto-update thingie for updates... heh...
is 1.5 compatible with all the plugins?
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epohs
from )C: on 2005-11-07 17:56 [#01772443]
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I'm not sure about ALL of the extensions. But, I can verify that there are compatible versions of:
- DOM Inspector - Talkback - Adblock Filterset.G Updater - Web Developer - ColorZilla - Adblock Plus - ShowIP
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2005-11-07 18:00 [#01772447]
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I'll hang back for a while and wait for some of the other plugins to update, I think...
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epohs
from )C: on 2005-11-08 09:49 [#01772817]
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according to Ben Goodger looks like google is looking to improve tabs in firefox.
Who's gonna be the first to try the experimental builds?
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2005-11-08 10:03 [#01772831]
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a large read.. what are they going to improve?
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epohs
from )C: on 2005-11-08 10:06 [#01772838]
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basically, they're experimenting with the overall usability of tabbed browsing.
only the top 5 or 6 paragraphs are the article... the rest is a schload of comments.
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2005-11-08 10:12 [#01772844]
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weird.. it seems to me it works pretty good already... at least when in conjunction with mouse gestures...
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giginger
from Milky Beans (United Kingdom) on 2005-11-08 11:39 [#01772888]
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Does that install as an extra to my firefox or a whole new piece of ass?
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epohs
from )C: on 2005-11-08 11:40 [#01772890]
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i think it is a whole new piece of ass.
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giginger
from Milky Beans (United Kingdom) on 2005-11-08 11:52 [#01772895]
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Fuck it, I'll give it a whirl.
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giginger
from Milky Beans (United Kingdom) on 2005-11-08 11:56 [#01772897]
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Well there's not a lot of difference to be honest. There's a cross on the tab and that's about all I can see.
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obara
from Utrecht on 2005-11-08 11:56 [#01772898]
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adblock plus + warp site like each other. thanks for the link.
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epohs
from )C: on 2005-11-08 11:56 [#01772899]
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You are a brave man!
..A pioneer! I salute you.
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epohs
from )C: on 2005-11-08 11:58 [#01772901]
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Yeah, sounds like they changed to focus order and moved around the close tab button.
Personally, I like the close tab button where it is, but I would like the "find bar"s close button moved to the right-hand side for consistency. That's driven me crazy since 0.8, or whenever they moved it.
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epohs
from )C: on 2005-11-08 11:58 [#01772902]
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"changed the focus order"
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giginger
from Milky Beans (United Kingdom) on 2005-11-08 12:04 [#01772909]
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hahahaha :D
I've uninstalled it becaue I I could see nothing worth running an experimental build with. I'm sticking with 1.5RC1. It's working fine for me. 6 Extensions I use don't work but i can cope. I'm not going to do that thing to FORCE them to work :)
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epohs
from )C: on 2005-11-08 12:08 [#01772913]
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it's really easy to modify most xpi's to work.
7zip will allow you to open the xpi, then you can up the value of "MaxVersion" in install.rdf and drag it onto firefox.
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nigel
from marspan (United States Minor Outlying Islands) on 2005-11-08 12:12 [#01772917]
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opera is much better than firefox
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epohs
from )C: on 2005-11-08 12:14 [#01772919]
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why do you say that?
i tried opera for a few days, but i could never get into it. it seemed cluttered and bulky. sell me on it, please.
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2005-11-08 13:51 [#01772971]
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well, no
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internode
from Brisbane (Australia) on 2005-11-08 15:01 [#01773047]
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I just finished my experiment with Opera. I couldn't get on with it but in mitigation it's mail client is top-notch. Back to Firefox and Thunderbird for me.
And cheers to epohs for the goodger link, interesting stuff.
If you like firefox and interesting extensions you could do worse than take a quick peek at Flock.
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giginger
from Milky Beans (United Kingdom) on 2005-11-08 15:12 [#01773058]
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I did have a look at Flock before. I saw nothing that firefox extensions couldn't do.
Maybe I didn't look deep enough?
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epohs
from )C: on 2005-11-08 15:43 [#01773074]
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flock was neat if your into the whole blog sharing stuff... but, i would rarely ever use that stuff so i saw no compelling reason to switch.
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tunemx
from Budapest (Hungary) on 2005-11-09 01:57 [#01773344]
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Fasterfox: this just works!
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giginger
from Milky Beans (United Kingdom) on 2005-11-09 06:54 [#01773531]
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Installed that the other day and I'm surprised that it actually worked. I took it down from Turbo though to be kind to the internet.
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2005-11-14 11:35 [#01777656]
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does anyone know about any extension that kind of connects to the mail server and checks for new mail, but it doesn't retrieve the mail from the server, it just gives me a notifier that I click and then I open the webmail in a new tab? I don't like mailprograms.. they are the root of all evil. however, having to have the mail tabs open all the time is annoying, so if I could just get some notification, that would rock...
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epohs
from )C: on 2005-11-14 11:45 [#01777662]
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i know there are gmail and yahoo notifiers... but, i don't know of a generic one that will check any mail server.
:(
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2005-11-14 11:48 [#01777664]
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weird.. it can't be that hard, can it?
would it somehow be possible to use one of those two and just change the pop server or whatever that mail thingie is called?
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epohs
from )C: on 2005-11-14 11:54 [#01777666]
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that's kinda what i was thinking.
it's worth taking a look anyhow. but, it seems like an extension for this should already exist, nah meen?
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epohs
from )C: on 2005-11-14 11:57 [#01777667]
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stupid firefox!
i'm gonna surf the webs on an abacas.
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2005-11-14 11:57 [#01777668]
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yeah, it seems like a logical thing, but I didn't find it in the official firefox extension database... are there secondary ones?
I also don't know anything about the structure of these extensions, but if they have plain text areas, I could maybe find the variable for the mail server (if the entire extension structure or whatever isn't depending on the use of such-and-such a server)...
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