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i guess my underlying point is that you are so far from being interesting or rational, i simply don't feel like looking for factual information for you to read about the factual things that have happened in this world just so you can spout off more of your "philo 101 stuff" |
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i would think that a bunch of neocon jew fascists would have enough blood money hoarded up to afford a decent dedicated server for their propaganda. |
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Often times threads like these result in members insulting each other and i think thats the biggest thing i dislike about them |
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anything's more interesting than 'bush = hitler' parroting |
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what's more interesting? bush = a good president parroting? i couldn't disagree more. |
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yes, especially when it's someone like me who likes to make flippant remarks off the cuff but doesn't really want to convince anyone of anything. hahaha we're having a good time |
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Yeah, honestly I kinda hate it when people call other people sheep when they have differing viewpoints. All the condesention should be left out of these debates. It would make for much more happy fun time. |
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nah, bush is pretty bad, he's not conservative enough |
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that's absolutely not why i called him a sheep. |
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why then arfy? he's obviously not cute like a sheep. |
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i look more like a goat and i eat trash like y'all for breakfast *unbridled roar* |
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breakfast is the most important meal of the day. you shouldn't be eating trash. |
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so feed me food for thoughts. i may hide behind self parody when facts fail me but at least i am on the search. i am not nearly as closed as you think. i have reasons for the things i believe that aren't connected to politics but personal principles. i am being dumb and provocative to, well, provoke, but i get nothing useful back. doesn't anyone see how shouting out the tired slogans that you can see in the first few posts of this thread is just as bad as anything your supposed enemies on the right do? it's just as thoughtless, sheeplike and so on. that's one small thing that needs attention called to it, even though it seems blazingly obvious to me, apparently it's not as much as I thought. Well in any case, no hard feelings to anyone, I am a dumb character today but it will pass |
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if you summarize your thoughts in simple bullet-point format i will either try to refute or explain why i agree with them one by one. |
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We should be able to use bullets in our posts!!! |
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well, believe it or not, although i make flip and brash statements, i am far from a reactionary. i am well informed about political and current issues and have kept on top of things for years. why haven't i bothered explaining myself? i don't feel like it. simple as that. it's just a messageboard and i know i won't solve the world's ills with it. so, you can take my "they're idiots" comment at face value, which would be fine, but i assure you that there's more to my thinking than that. |
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1. folks on the left are just as much, if not moreso than the right, prone to use mindless rhetoric, and spout exaggerated or false exclamations, such as "bush and his policy of ethnic cleansing" (completely divorced from reality), "the invasion has led to 150,000 innocent deaths" (not as much as this, and most of civilian deaths are by terrorists not coalition troops) , "Despite America stealing all their oil." (nope), "American imperialism" (doesn't exist) 2. no one here, despite the incredible ferocity of your beliefs, can take the time to refute simple statements in an article that concerns the basis of the iraq war, and addresses the assumption that bush lied to get the thing started. the article, even if written by a biased source, contains many direct quotes from people as far back as the clinton administration which alone are enough to convince a sane person that it was not a lie in the common sense... where the person speaking claims something they know to be untrue. yet these same people who refuse to defend their beliefs will no doubt go on parroting the 'bush lied, thousands died' mantra, or some sad variant. my main concern here isn't politics. it's just to make people aware of themselves. it's easy to just shout the party line when you begin with the assumption you are correct already. i'm asking you to take away this assumption and then examine your actions and speech, with fresh unsullied eyes. this goes for people on either side of the political spectrum. it's a lesson we should all try, including myself |
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and you know what i haven't slept in a few days and i'm coming off some nightmares so look past my poor grasp of grammar and form for now |
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1. folks on the left are just as much [agreed], if not moreso [meh.. probably disagreed] than the right, prone to use mindless rhetoric, and spout exaggerated or false exclamations 2. i tried a couple of times to get to the article and it never fully loaded. i don't think bush "lied", but i do think he knowingly exagerated the threat. i also think he probably genuinely expected to find wmd in iraq... but, that's no excuse for claiming to have indisputable evidence. i think that it should be investigated, and if he knowingly mislead us into war he should probably be impeached. i think that's about as dispicable an act as a president could perform. i think something needed to be done in iraq. i thought something needed to be done in iraq years ago, because i think saddam made it clear that he was not going to comply with the terms of the cease fire from gulf war I. i think bush acted irresponsibly by behaving in such a way that it turned world opinion drastically against the us. i think that behavior cost many innocent lives on all sides. i also think opposition to the war by germany, france, and russia was based on their own best interest (namely under the table arms and oil deals) and that that hasn't been investigated or reported on as much as it probably should have been because it is an unpopular stance to take. |
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Dude... stop posting to that site. It takes forever to load. You could have downloaded the Power of Nightmares by the time this page has loaded :( Political discussions of this nature never work. As VPusher said earlier, all it ends up being is a bunch of people who normally would be talking about something else, angrily calling eachother biggots and idiots. Reguardless of who is 'right' (which we couldn't prove anyway, seeing as both the left wing and right wing propoganda is so diluted with extremist rhetoric that impartiality is unattainable), what is happening here is a question of paradigms. User: Vacant seems to believe that the US is justified and theres no way to convince him otherwise. Any argument only solidifies his belief that the people who believe the US is wrong in their actions are all burnt out hippies. Everybody else seems to believe that the US is evil and theres no way to convince them otherwise. Any argument only solidifies their belief that the people who believe the US is right in their actions are all reactionary twats. |
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Thank you very much! :) |
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jeez louise, that was long. smells a little bit like old spice and onesidedness, but i don't have any specific complaints with it. |
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vacant = capitalist y'all = self loathing capitalists who wouldn't trade shit for shit if you were really forced to choose |
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vacant = condescending prick who, dispite having some good and valid points, expresses himself in such a way that he has precisely zero percent chance of affecting anyones opinion. |
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I'm a capitalist. I believe in fair trading between consumers and producers. I don't believe the US support fair trade. |
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:) |
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This thread needs to be destroyed. Nothing productive will be discussed. |
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but i don't know if i'm aware of myself and how wrong i am yet. |
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I agree with you here. Nothing good really has come up it. Just bitterness and naughty behavior. This thread gets a spanking |
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