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Just read my friend's copy of "Stupid White Men". This is probably the most innaccurate, biased and just plain retatrded book I have ever read in my life. One of his arguments is "Hitler was bad, so therefore all white people are bad." Fucking cretin. |
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"why didn't you mention NORAD in farenheit?" Michael "That would be unamerican" |
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IF I recall correctly, he is being facetious when he makes that connexion and didn't intend for it to be taken seriously. |
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I hate the way loads of impressionable youth think Moore is some sort of worthy, academic genius when he never even went to college. I am against Bush and the war in Iraq, *cringes for saying that* but I think this fella is a fucking charlatan. by Christopher Hitchens. I don't agree with Hitchens pro-war viewpoint, but I do agree that Moore is a tit. |
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But that's his whole defence isn't it? If anyone picks up on one of the gaping holes in his arguments, he can just say "Oh, it's meant to be funny!" The whole point of the book was "White People=Bad." Which is a fucking retarded generalisation. |
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I doubt you'll win much support by equating Academic Genius or Worth with a College Education... I'll think you'll find that plenty of Academic Geniuses never went to College... you don't have to have attended an 'academy' to have academic genius. Fair enough you don't like Moore, but if you start using that sort of rubbish as an argument you are tarring yourself with the same brush which you accuse him of using. |
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yes, moore isn't too good. infact he's quite bad. |
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If he had been to college and written a few term papers, maybe he would be capable of presenting a coherent argument now. |
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I don't like him, ok he is good for warning the american people that their country suck but that's all : his films are boring and really biased. |
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plus he's obese and stuff. |
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omg new avatar ! are u gonna keep this one for a long time ? i don't like it for the moment, but maybe it'll grow on me =) |
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Maybe in his specific case, but you're generalising monstrously just like you're accusing him. |
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maybe yes maybe no. haven't quite decided yet. |
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... YOU'RE from Antarctica also? I thought I was the only one! |
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Haven't seen this. I don't know if it'll be a truthful and fair critique of Moore, or just right wing bluster. |
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I read about when it was being produced .. the title sounds quite Opinionated though, which is always dangerous if you are presenting a 'documentary' for consideration. |
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Oughta go for a beer or 20 sometime, Marl! Swears, he doesn't really try to hide his bias against Moore, and just as there was something to learn from even Moore's stuff, there's definitely something to learn from Wilson's view of what makes America great. At least because Moore's stuff is relatively extremist and not a proper documentary (or imo what one should be) and this completes the picture.. asinus asinum fricat :) |
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I think Moore is a sloppy thinker - basically an entertainer. He goes for dramatic effect over substance and could use a lot more fact-checking. He's an easy target for right wingers - they don't even have to bother contructing a straw man argument to vilify liberalism, because hey, Moore's already cobbled together a caricature of liberalism to beat up on. |
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Yes he is the typical dumb liberal: white people suck, let's nationalise everything, isn't Sweden great, immigration isn't a problem, big business sucks, let's patronise gays and racial minorities, war is always wrong, etc, etc. The right wing love this shit. |
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you can slate moore all you want, but i think one of the best things he's done is bring to the attention of many people some of the biggest problems with western society. ok his method does make himself vunerable to counter attack, but still, you cannot deny that his subject matter is still important and needs addressing. |
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Yeah, on second thoughts, he's just great. |
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you're easily persuaded. |
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moore is two things: a wake-up call for certain people and a useful idiot for "the dark side." He is indeed very biased in his use of sources, but he is still onto something at times, and hopefully he's made some people inquire into these things on their own so that they can decide for themselves what they think. |
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Ok, white people do suck, that's a no brainer. Bush is an arsehole, the whole world would agree. The quote that moron Swears took out of context "Hitler was bad, so therefore all white people are bad." shows him up to be a fuck weasle. What are we arguing here again? That the petrol/military economic model is the best so we can all type bullshit on the internet. That's.... progressive. |
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I thought Moore was quite intelligent, if extreme, until he appeared on the O'Reilly Factor and was made to look stupid by Bill. |
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Why do we fall over ourselves to lampoon anyone that dare criticise, even if it's clumsily, the oil barons that threaten our lives? |
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when he makes good arguments, no one understands. when people understand his arguments, these are weak. |
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It wasn't that. It was just he must have know O'Reilly was going to ask him the questions he was asked and he had no proper reply, he just kept quoting statistics and couldn't name their source, O'Reilly had official UN statistics to hand etc. It just further discredited Moore dispite the fact he has some very valid arguements to made. The other problem with Moore though is that he uses sentimentality and ridicule to drive his point home and often it leaves him looking as though he is a bit of a smart arse. The oil barons rule the world. |
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we suck ! |
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Are you speaking on behalf of all Swedish people? |
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it's so convenient that o'reilly alway has his statistics on paper to refer to and no guest on his show ever has them. i wonder why that is. |
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Hmm. I don't think of him as some sacred cow but, at least he does have a go when we don't, and even if he's emotive... surely he's doing it for the right reasons. I couldn't go, "No, no, those figures are wrong, the Bush administration is 100& commited to.." how do we know, what figures? Have we compiled those figures, at that level... If the guy was wrong full stop, fine, have a go. If his figures are shaky... yeah, well him and everyone in office. And then someone ill informed like Swears going by what his Dad told him, vomitting it onto a music messageboard.... oh fuck off. |
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no of all people |
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Because most of them are stupid yes people. However Moore agreed to do the interview...he should have been fully prepared. I would have done a better job myself. Yes I agree Moore is good for doing what he does, I think he loses credibility sometimes purely through actions. He does seem to be a person who genuinely cares, something all too rare in this selfih world. Swears obviously watches O'Reilly as well...a show dedicated to Mexican hating xenophobes and people who dispise the loony left. |
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"The other problem with Moore though is that he uses sentimentality and ridicule to drive his point home and often it leaves him looking as though he is a bit of a smart arse." same as ol' Bill then. |
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Bill O'Reilly doesn't use sentimentality :) He doesn't even know the meaning of the word. He tries ridiculing until it doesn't work at which stage he does launches a tirade of high volume abuse at the person disagreeing with him. |
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oh sure he does, albeit a heavyhanded, patriotic kind of sentimentality. like the famous case of the son of one of the people who died in the twin towers, who came on "the o'reilly factor" and said (to paraphrase in short) it was the US government's fault. O'Reilly constantly told him how his father would be ashamed of him, how did he dare shame his father like this, how would this make his mother feel, etc. like I said, it's sentimentality with the subtlety of a sledgehammer and probably even falser than anyone else can ever use it, but still.. if O'Reilly can find a nice juice piece of rhetoric, he'll slap it in your face before you can say "Karl Rove". Bill O'Reilly is just insane. |
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