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offline tolstoyed from the ocean on 2005-10-12 01:26 [#01747393]
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when it comes to music i was told. i wish i'd be that
easy..im spoiled i know, but there's too much of quality
stuff around to lower my standards..i'll have to lie instead
from now on :)

are your standards high? do you find most music boring and
uninteresting?


 

offline rockenjohnny from champagne socialism (Australia) on 2005-10-12 01:35 [#01747398]
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i have an open mind but also very low standards :)


 

offline pf from Finland on 2005-10-12 01:55 [#01747401]
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My standards are real high, I all ways bash the music I hear
on the radio, I think most of it suck. A track or two might
have a nice melody or something, but Most of "pop" music is
pure shit. So they say I'd have to lower my standards. But
then again, they say that Instrumental tracks are not music
in general, that you would have to have a voice singing for
it to be "music". Wankers.


 

offline pigster from melbs on 2005-10-12 02:08 [#01747404]
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hehehe yeah, i think like alot of music is pretty shit,
except for the music i love.
sometimes i wish i didnt care so much and could just listen
to other stuff, but i cbf


 

offline tolstoyed from the ocean on 2005-10-12 02:22 [#01747410]
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well, when i talk about music i usually don't think pop
because i never listen to that, so i can't discuss it. but
even when it comes to alternative music i expect it to be
something more, something witty.


 

offline rasec from mty (Mexico) on 2005-10-12 02:29 [#01747414]
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is there a quiz to know your standar LeveL?

sadLy Low
very Low
Low
....
ridicuLusLy high


 

offline rasec from mty (Mexico) on 2005-10-12 02:30 [#01747415]
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i meant *standard*


 

offline Sire from the depths (Finland) on 2005-10-12 04:17 [#01747452]
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I've been told the same thing a couple of times, but in
these cases, I think, only so that the I could somehow
better connect to the music the person telling me to lower
my standards promotes.

There's so much quality music out there that I see no reason
to lower any standards. You just have to really look for it
rather than sticking to one type of music and then
complaining about bad quality releases when there's a lull
in that particular scene. I do realise this is not the case
with you, tolstoyed :)


 

offline tolstoyed from the ocean on 2005-10-12 05:00 [#01747470]
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"but in these cases, I think, only so that the I could
somehow
better connect to the music the person telling me to lower
my standards promotes."

in my case it was a review of a rechenzentrum's gig :)


 

offline Sire from the depths (Finland) on 2005-10-12 05:07 [#01747472]
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Were you the one writing the review?


 

offline tolstoyed from the ocean on 2005-10-12 05:27 [#01747479]
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yeah. the thing is the gig wasn't that bad, it's just the
band that disappoints me. they used to be avantgarde sort of
band..7,8 years ago..also all the things they had to say
about music in the past, they just don't follow those
standards themselves set anymore..
and this particular gig was rechenzentrum vs. schnider tm.
ofcourse i expected it to be nothing like shows they used to
do since schnider is into totally different thing (although
rechenzentrum are sort of turning into that abstract pop
music as well), but it was still very disappointing. i
wasn't intrigued one bit..they had their moments but
majority it was indie pop rock with bits of abstract
electronica. which is not what i expect from a band that had
to say so much about quality of music in the past. editor
sort of told me to try and be more subjective in the future,
so i'll just have to lie :)


 

offline nacmat on 2005-10-12 05:31 [#01747480]
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music still surprises me


 

offline tolstoyed from the ocean on 2005-10-12 05:33 [#01747482]
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isn't that sort of why we all listen to it? to hear
something surprising. i know there's nothing like a feeling
when i hold some new release by an artist i deeply respect!
uh oh!


 

offline Skink from A cesspool in eden on 2005-10-12 05:38 [#01747483]
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That's just bullshit. What's the point of writing for them
if can't say what you think?


 

offline Taffmonster from dog_belch (Japan) on 2005-10-12 05:41 [#01747484]
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ill be surprised by music when i put a cd in and out jumps
tolstoyed dressed as a yodelling milk maid. i quite like
unsurprising music sometimes
its kinda confortable if that makes any sense!
however as for my standards i dunno pretty low i guess i
like ALOT of different stuff although the stuff coming out
the radio is mainly shit, but i liek to think what i do
listen to is pretty fuking awsome but then im pretty fuking
awsome so hey



 

offline Sire from the depths (Finland) on 2005-10-12 05:51 [#01747488]
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Paying the bills?


 

offline tolstoyed from the ocean on 2005-10-12 05:56 [#01747490]
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well, i sort of understand what editor meant..he still aired
the review because he said it was well argumented and well
written. and he saw rechenzentrum before as well so he knew
perfectly well what i meant. the thing is i made it sound
like it was an awful gig probably which wasn't the case but
in a band that i used to apperciate and went shit now i
can't put it any other way. the gig itself was way better
than most of shit people do on gigs nowdays, so maybe i
should put less attention on my thoughts on them and put
more attention into what it is that they're doing now..but
you know, it's easier to bash someone than to write
something nice :)

taff <3


 

offline Skink from A cesspool in eden on 2005-10-12 06:02 [#01747492]
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Oh, so i see now. Well i kind of agree with him then. You do
have to concentrate somewhat on the good points as well as
the bad.

Off topic sightly: Is this your only job?


 

offline tolstoyed from the ocean on 2005-10-12 06:05 [#01747494]
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haha, i made it sound like i really wrote shit about them
now which also isn't quite true. i said they had their
moments but the overal impression surely was that it was a
subpar performance.

and no, it's my second job..more of a hobby really.
im writing a review on takk now.


 

offline Taffmonster from dog_belch (Japan) on 2005-10-12 06:06 [#01747495]
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takk = <3

^^^ review written and finished ;)


 

offline obara from Utrecht on 2005-10-12 06:06 [#01747496]
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i'm open, and try to have no expectations when looking for
new music.


 

offline tolstoyed from the ocean on 2005-10-12 06:07 [#01747497]
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i love it as well..probably one of the very few bands that
make music like that sound awesome! it's just an icelandic
thing :)


 

offline Taffmonster from dog_belch (Japan) on 2005-10-12 06:10 [#01747500]
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yer i think everything from iceland seems to sound pretty
and etheral

although im currently listening to Himuro and LOVING it



 

offline Skink from A cesspool in eden on 2005-10-12 06:12 [#01747502]
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Well, that's cool. I just always would say what i think when
it comes to these things. This is why i decided not to judge
a battle of the bands competition. I got asked and i said i
would but two things stopped me. I know alot of people
around here who are in bands one of those bands was going to
be in the competition. Secondly i know that most of the
bands round here are pretty shocking. So even though i would
say what i think and i would say if something is good or
not. My mind would already be made up.

So i understand.


 

offline tolstoyed from the ocean on 2005-10-12 06:12 [#01747503]
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kyosuko himuro!?!? say it isn't so :)


 

offline Taffmonster from dog_belch (Japan) on 2005-10-12 06:14 [#01747507]
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HIM


 

offline tolstoyed from the ocean on 2005-10-12 06:16 [#01747509]
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yeah definitely. i must learn to ignore prejudices i might
have about certain people :)


 

offline Skink from A cesspool in eden on 2005-10-12 06:22 [#01747511]
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True but you also have to say what you think to some degree
too. It's difficult to balance though. Plus i don't like the
thought of being a judge of something.


 

offline tolstoyed from the ocean on 2005-10-12 06:35 [#01747517]
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i don't might judging..it's only my opinion really, people
don't have to agree with it.
btw, i can say about albums whatever i want. gotta be a bit
more careful when it comes to gigs though :)


 

offline yann_g from now on 2005-10-12 06:48 [#01747537]
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standards? that would require to be objective, which means
inhuman. there are no high or low standards. or am i wrong?


 

offline Skink from A cesspool in eden on 2005-10-12 06:50 [#01747544]
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Ok then :)

Carry on.


 

offline tolstoyed from the ocean on 2005-10-12 06:53 [#01747547]
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can you elaborate on that a bit please.


 

offline CS2x from London (United Kingdom) on 2005-10-12 06:58 [#01747559]
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In relation to this...

Does anyone find themselves "correcting" or "improving" a
track in their minds? Often, I say to myself-"that could be
less repeititve", or "that bass sound doesn't really punch
through enough." It's ridiculous, because artists like
Autechre do what they do because they make the music they
want to make-but a lot of the time tracks aren't "good
enough" in that they don't go where I want them to go, or
take advantage of ideas like I would have done had I made
the track myself.


 

offline yann_g from now on 2005-10-12 07:00 [#01747564]
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i was supposed to be lazy... no it's okay, there can be
different qualities within the different tastes. BUT liking
a few artists doesn't mean u have high standards, it can
also mean your tastes are narrow.


 

offline yann_g from now on 2005-10-12 07:03 [#01747573]
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happens to me a lot i just add melodies on top or change the
drums (esp the snares) in my mind. never happened to me with
autechre though.


 

offline tolstoyed from the ocean on 2005-10-12 07:05 [#01747576]
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yeah, could mean that as well, ofcourse!

cs2x, yeah, i do that sometimes..when i wish a piece of
music would just take a different turn..or some loops to
last longer..definitely get those feelings!


 

offline DeleriousWeasel from Guam on 2005-10-12 07:09 [#01747581]
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Yes. such as Doctor? by Orbital which really should have
been more hard limiting at the bit where it kicks in from
the Doctor Who theme into beats, bit disappointing there
wasn't a bigger punch there.

I do it all the time.


 

offline Sire from the depths (Finland) on 2005-10-12 07:13 [#01747587]
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Definitely do sometimes...but it often leaves me wondering
if those little 'imperfections' are actually required as
sometimes after some time has passed those same parts seem
like heaven. IMO listening to 'perfect' tracks would become
boring - getting used to sounds or parts that I would've
changed in a track myself have sometimes lead me to new
things..


 

offline KEYFUMBLER from DUBLIN (Ireland) on 2005-10-12 09:28 [#01747735]
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i need to lower my standards in women... sure i picked a
few psycho's in the past.... but am getting nada now so i'm
thinking was it all that bad?

music-wise..... i'm, happy with the standards i have... if i
like it i likes it



 

offline virginpusher from County Clare on 2005-10-12 09:29 [#01747736]
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I pretty much accept everything as it is because if it is
the final result then it is exactly what the artist wanted


 

offline yann_g from now on 2005-10-12 09:35 [#01747747]
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all the girls are fine, realy. u just have to open yourself.


 

offline Xeron from London (United Kingdom) on 2005-10-12 09:38 [#01747753]
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That was CS2x's opinion on "Doctor?" DeleriousWeasel. You
little thief! Think up your own opinions!

My opinion in generally pf's, I actually think the pure
human voice actually destroys most tracks. I hate un-vocoded
voices, it just seems so unatural and rarely does the voice
and instrumental backing ever not grate with eachother. I
believe that in 9/10 times, like should stick with like:
electronica with electronica, unaltered voices with
unaltered voices etc.


 

offline DeleriousWeasel from Guam on 2005-10-12 09:39 [#01747755]
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I was reiterating what we Both felt about that song
you twat.


 

offline Xeron from London (United Kingdom) on 2005-10-12 09:41 [#01747763]
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is*


 

offline yann_g from now on 2005-10-12 09:42 [#01747764]
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i heard a few examples of successful mixes but they're quite
rare. it's just that some 'acoustic' tracks have sometimes
some tricky elctronic stuff in the background that makes the
singing tastier. works best if it's a singer/band who hires
an electronic producer than if it's an electronic act
featuring a singer.

what do you think of björk btw?


 

offline Xeron from London (United Kingdom) on 2005-10-12 09:45 [#01747774]
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you failed (as usual) to see subtle irony concealed in my
post.


 

offline Xeron from London (United Kingdom) on 2005-10-12 09:50 [#01747786]
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cabaret, wailing woman. Her style of music (especially her
singing) always makes my hair stand on end :S

Yea, a great example of a successfull fusion is Daft Punk's
Harder, Stronger Better Faster.


 


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