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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2005-10-12 01:26 [#01747393]
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when it comes to music i was told. i wish i'd be that easy..im spoiled i know, but there's too much of quality stuff around to lower my standards..i'll have to lie instead from now on :)
are your standards high? do you find most music boring and uninteresting?
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rockenjohnny
from champagne socialism (Australia) on 2005-10-12 01:35 [#01747398]
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i have an open mind but also very low standards :)
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pf
from Finland on 2005-10-12 01:55 [#01747401]
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My standards are real high, I all ways bash the music I hear on the radio, I think most of it suck. A track or two might have a nice melody or something, but Most of "pop" music is pure shit. So they say I'd have to lower my standards. But then again, they say that Instrumental tracks are not music in general, that you would have to have a voice singing for it to be "music". Wankers.
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pigster
from melbs on 2005-10-12 02:08 [#01747404]
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hehehe yeah, i think like alot of music is pretty shit, except for the music i love.
sometimes i wish i didnt care so much and could just listen to other stuff, but i cbf
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2005-10-12 02:22 [#01747410]
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well, when i talk about music i usually don't think pop because i never listen to that, so i can't discuss it. but even when it comes to alternative music i expect it to be something more, something witty.
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rasec
from mty (Mexico) on 2005-10-12 02:29 [#01747414]
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is there a quiz to know your standar LeveL?
sadLy Low very Low Low .... ridicuLusLy high
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rasec
from mty (Mexico) on 2005-10-12 02:30 [#01747415]
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i meant *standard*
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Sire
from the depths (Finland) on 2005-10-12 04:17 [#01747452]
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I've been told the same thing a couple of times, but in these cases, I think, only so that the I could somehow better connect to the music the person telling me to lower my standards promotes.
There's so much quality music out there that I see no reason to lower any standards. You just have to really look for it rather than sticking to one type of music and then complaining about bad quality releases when there's a lull in that particular scene. I do realise this is not the case with you, tolstoyed :)
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2005-10-12 05:00 [#01747470]
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"but in these cases, I think, only so that the I could somehow
better connect to the music the person telling me to lower my standards promotes."
in my case it was a review of a rechenzentrum's gig :)
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Sire
from the depths (Finland) on 2005-10-12 05:07 [#01747472]
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Were you the one writing the review?
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2005-10-12 05:27 [#01747479]
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yeah. the thing is the gig wasn't that bad, it's just the band that disappoints me. they used to be avantgarde sort of band..7,8 years ago..also all the things they had to say about music in the past, they just don't follow those standards themselves set anymore..
and this particular gig was rechenzentrum vs. schnider tm. ofcourse i expected it to be nothing like shows they used to do since schnider is into totally different thing (although rechenzentrum are sort of turning into that abstract pop music as well), but it was still very disappointing. i wasn't intrigued one bit..they had their moments but majority it was indie pop rock with bits of abstract electronica. which is not what i expect from a band that had to say so much about quality of music in the past. editor sort of told me to try and be more subjective in the future, so i'll just have to lie :)
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nacmat
on 2005-10-12 05:31 [#01747480]
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music still surprises me
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2005-10-12 05:33 [#01747482]
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isn't that sort of why we all listen to it? to hear something surprising. i know there's nothing like a feeling when i hold some new release by an artist i deeply respect! uh oh!
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Skink
from A cesspool in eden on 2005-10-12 05:38 [#01747483]
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That's just bullshit. What's the point of writing for them if can't say what you think?
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Taffmonster
from dog_belch (Japan) on 2005-10-12 05:41 [#01747484]
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ill be surprised by music when i put a cd in and out jumps tolstoyed dressed as a yodelling milk maid. i quite like unsurprising music sometimes
its kinda confortable if that makes any sense! however as for my standards i dunno pretty low i guess i like ALOT of different stuff although the stuff coming out the radio is mainly shit, but i liek to think what i do listen to is pretty fuking awsome but then im pretty fuking awsome so hey
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Sire
from the depths (Finland) on 2005-10-12 05:51 [#01747488]
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Paying the bills?
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2005-10-12 05:56 [#01747490]
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well, i sort of understand what editor meant..he still aired the review because he said it was well argumented and well written. and he saw rechenzentrum before as well so he knew perfectly well what i meant. the thing is i made it sound like it was an awful gig probably which wasn't the case but in a band that i used to apperciate and went shit now i can't put it any other way. the gig itself was way better than most of shit people do on gigs nowdays, so maybe i should put less attention on my thoughts on them and put more attention into what it is that they're doing now..but you know, it's easier to bash someone than to write something nice :)
taff <3
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Skink
from A cesspool in eden on 2005-10-12 06:02 [#01747492]
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Oh, so i see now. Well i kind of agree with him then. You do have to concentrate somewhat on the good points as well as the bad.
Off topic sightly: Is this your only job?
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2005-10-12 06:05 [#01747494]
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haha, i made it sound like i really wrote shit about them now which also isn't quite true. i said they had their moments but the overal impression surely was that it was a subpar performance.
and no, it's my second job..more of a hobby really. im writing a review on takk now.
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Taffmonster
from dog_belch (Japan) on 2005-10-12 06:06 [#01747495]
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takk = <3
^^^ review written and finished ;)
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obara
from Utrecht on 2005-10-12 06:06 [#01747496]
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i'm open, and try to have no expectations when looking for new music.
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2005-10-12 06:07 [#01747497]
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i love it as well..probably one of the very few bands that make music like that sound awesome! it's just an icelandic thing :)
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Taffmonster
from dog_belch (Japan) on 2005-10-12 06:10 [#01747500]
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yer i think everything from iceland seems to sound pretty and etheral
although im currently listening to Himuro and LOVING it
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Skink
from A cesspool in eden on 2005-10-12 06:12 [#01747502]
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Well, that's cool. I just always would say what i think when it comes to these things. This is why i decided not to judge a battle of the bands competition. I got asked and i said i would but two things stopped me. I know alot of people around here who are in bands one of those bands was going to be in the competition. Secondly i know that most of the bands round here are pretty shocking. So even though i would say what i think and i would say if something is good or not. My mind would already be made up.
So i understand.
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2005-10-12 06:12 [#01747503]
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kyosuko himuro!?!? say it isn't so :)
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Taffmonster
from dog_belch (Japan) on 2005-10-12 06:14 [#01747507]
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HIM
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2005-10-12 06:16 [#01747509]
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yeah definitely. i must learn to ignore prejudices i might have about certain people :)
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Skink
from A cesspool in eden on 2005-10-12 06:22 [#01747511]
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True but you also have to say what you think to some degree too. It's difficult to balance though. Plus i don't like the thought of being a judge of something.
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2005-10-12 06:35 [#01747517]
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i don't might judging..it's only my opinion really, people don't have to agree with it.
btw, i can say about albums whatever i want. gotta be a bit more careful when it comes to gigs though :)
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yann_g
from now on 2005-10-12 06:48 [#01747537]
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standards? that would require to be objective, which means inhuman. there are no high or low standards. or am i wrong?
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Skink
from A cesspool in eden on 2005-10-12 06:50 [#01747544]
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Ok then :)
Carry on.
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2005-10-12 06:53 [#01747547]
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can you elaborate on that a bit please.
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CS2x
from London (United Kingdom) on 2005-10-12 06:58 [#01747559]
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In relation to this...
Does anyone find themselves "correcting" or "improving" a track in their minds? Often, I say to myself-"that could be less repeititve", or "that bass sound doesn't really punch through enough." It's ridiculous, because artists like Autechre do what they do because they make the music they want to make-but a lot of the time tracks aren't "good enough" in that they don't go where I want them to go, or take advantage of ideas like I would have done had I made the track myself.
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yann_g
from now on 2005-10-12 07:00 [#01747564]
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i was supposed to be lazy... no it's okay, there can be different qualities within the different tastes. BUT liking a few artists doesn't mean u have high standards, it can also mean your tastes are narrow.
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yann_g
from now on 2005-10-12 07:03 [#01747573]
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happens to me a lot i just add melodies on top or change the drums (esp the snares) in my mind. never happened to me with autechre though.
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2005-10-12 07:05 [#01747576]
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yeah, could mean that as well, ofcourse!
cs2x, yeah, i do that sometimes..when i wish a piece of music would just take a different turn..or some loops to last longer..definitely get those feelings!
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DeleriousWeasel
from Guam on 2005-10-12 07:09 [#01747581]
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Yes. such as Doctor? by Orbital which really should have been more hard limiting at the bit where it kicks in from the Doctor Who theme into beats, bit disappointing there wasn't a bigger punch there.
I do it all the time.
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Sire
from the depths (Finland) on 2005-10-12 07:13 [#01747587]
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Definitely do sometimes...but it often leaves me wondering if those little 'imperfections' are actually required as sometimes after some time has passed those same parts seem like heaven. IMO listening to 'perfect' tracks would become boring - getting used to sounds or parts that I would've changed in a track myself have sometimes lead me to new things..
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KEYFUMBLER
from DUBLIN (Ireland) on 2005-10-12 09:28 [#01747735]
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i need to lower my standards in women... sure i picked a few psycho's in the past.... but am getting nada now so i'm thinking was it all that bad?
music-wise..... i'm, happy with the standards i have... if i like it i likes it
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virginpusher
from County Clare on 2005-10-12 09:29 [#01747736]
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I pretty much accept everything as it is because if it is the final result then it is exactly what the artist wanted
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yann_g
from now on 2005-10-12 09:35 [#01747747]
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all the girls are fine, realy. u just have to open yourself.
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Xeron
from London (United Kingdom) on 2005-10-12 09:38 [#01747753]
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That was CS2x's opinion on "Doctor?" DeleriousWeasel. You little thief! Think up your own opinions!
My opinion in generally pf's, I actually think the pure human voice actually destroys most tracks. I hate un-vocoded voices, it just seems so unatural and rarely does the voice and instrumental backing ever not grate with eachother. I believe that in 9/10 times, like should stick with like: electronica with electronica, unaltered voices with unaltered voices etc.
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DeleriousWeasel
from Guam on 2005-10-12 09:39 [#01747755]
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I was reiterating what we Both felt about that song you twat.
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Xeron
from London (United Kingdom) on 2005-10-12 09:41 [#01747763]
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is*
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yann_g
from now on 2005-10-12 09:42 [#01747764]
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i heard a few examples of successful mixes but they're quite rare. it's just that some 'acoustic' tracks have sometimes some tricky elctronic stuff in the background that makes the singing tastier. works best if it's a singer/band who hires an electronic producer than if it's an electronic act featuring a singer.
what do you think of björk btw?
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Xeron
from London (United Kingdom) on 2005-10-12 09:45 [#01747774]
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you failed (as usual) to see subtle irony concealed in my post.
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Xeron
from London (United Kingdom) on 2005-10-12 09:50 [#01747786]
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cabaret, wailing woman. Her style of music (especially her singing) always makes my hair stand on end :S
Yea, a great example of a successfull fusion is Daft Punk's Harder, Stronger Better Faster.
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