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looks like the UK is going to get a complete ban on smoking after all. read i think this is a shit idea, if you don't like smoke, don't put yourself in a smokey environment does anyone live in a country where a smoking ban has already come into place? whats it like? |
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like living under a fascist regime |
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the landlord of my local pub will never ban smoking in there cos he would lose practically all his customers |
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i think you should rephrase your post to, people who don't like the smell of smoke shouldn't place themselves in a smokey environment. I don't smoke but I don't mind the smell. |
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for i_x_ten |
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I smoke passively; it's free and I love it. |
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big deal, theres a ban over here |
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why does that need rephrasing? |
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it doesn't i just wanted attention. :P |
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sweden is like that already..... pros: no disgusting smoke cons: all other smells appears... like farts |
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I swap between 'it's a good idea', no 'it's a bad idea'. In theorry it's a good idea, no wait, in theorry it's a bad idea, perrsonally, since I don't smoke it's a good idea, no but wait, I like the smell of smoke kinda, so it's a bad idea. I think rreally... I don't carre. |
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If I cast a vote it would be: Don't ban it. |
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you just wanted to reach 3000 points quicker didn't you? |
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Prrobably. |
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it makes me sick. he'll probably get to 5,000 and then get bored and leave to start over again at WATMM. |
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what on earrth |
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some places need that smell of smoke... particularly jazz clubs. |
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if you don't like smoke, don't put yourself in a smokey environment Do you not see what is wrrong with that statement? I don't rreally want to get into that arrgument though. |
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looks like i quit just in time then eh |
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can't wait for it to come into effect, then I can eat in a pub and go to bars/clubs without passively smoking. The stink of smoke on my clothes after going to a club is disgusting, god knows what its doing to my lungs. |
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i think this is a shit idea, if you don't like smoke, don't put yourself in a smokey environment so.. if someone who doesn't like smoke wants to go to some concert with some amazing artist, and there are smoking people there, he just shouldn't go? and what about asthmatics? smokers can be in the same room as someone who doesn't like smoke or is an asthmatic, but the asthmatic at least can't be in the same room as the smoker. smokers have a choice. basically, if you're not trolling, you're either an inconsiderate asshole or just stupid. |
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IT'S A BAR/CLUB/PUB. IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH SMOKE, WHAT ARE YOU DOING IN A FUCKING PUB. How's that for inconsiderate? It would be naive to view it in that way, as sensationalist as it may seem, because: People smoke in pubs. if you don't smoke, you don't know the pleasure of smoking while having a drink. People who don't smoke can go and set up their own smoke-free pubs if they want. You could say "well, then they'll have a difficult time bringing their friends out, nobody's friend circles don't include smokers, and the smoke-free clubs/pubs will go out of business"... Is this really better than all nightspots going out of business, because people don't want to travel all the way to be stripped of their right to smoke and pay extra money for price-inflated drink, so they just drink at home? I had a long discussion with an english guy and an irish girl last night outside the Duke (pub).. they were for and I was against.. the only pro of the smoking ban we could all agree on was that it has a nice effect in creating an extra atmosphere and venue for social interaction, away from the music and noise of the actual venue. Still, my sentiment remains firm and strong: if you don't smoke, and have a problem with smoke, what the fuck are you doing in a smokey venue. It's your own problem. |
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The first point of that post, "People smoke in pubs", is absolutely weak. I was pointing at the tradition of it. I can expand on the tradition, its importance, and the ill effects of its abolition if necessary. I probably will anyway, just to attempt to redeem myself after that awful post. |
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i smoke + i dont give a fuck if pubs ban smoking, its up to them what they do.... i just wont go there anymore ill go to a pub where u can smoke cos theyll always exist because ppl like me will want to go to em. its simple really |
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smoking is half the enjoyment of going to pubs. bans will just make it dull |
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it's not the pubs banning smoking you dumb shit, it's the government outlawing it in workplaces. So in no pub will you be able to smoke. |
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i dont smoke anymore (i quit like 3/4 weeks ago) but they banned smoking in my uni nightclub before i did and just went round smoking and if i got caught id stub it out. passive smoker people can be annoying, the amount that tell me passive smoking is worse than smoking is hillarious im starting to notice the smell of smoke and i dont liek it but if people wanna smoke its up to them i think a band is stupid i think they should just ahve seperation ie half smoking half non smoking however non smokers shouldnt ahve to avoid pubs because they dont like smoke, saying they should is frankly fucking retarded, but smokers shouldnt ahve to avoid pubs WHERES THE FUKING COMPRAMISE!!!! |
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People who don't smoke can go and set up their own smoke-free pubs if they want. What the fucking hell arre you on sometimes. No they can't, I don't smoke and I as surre as hell can't just go and set up my own smoke frree pub, norr would I want to. AS IF people just won't go to the pub because they can't smoke. Do you think forr a million yearrs everry smokerr is going to stay at home because they can't have a cig with theirr pint, don't be stupid. The time will come, and forr the betterr, when kids will weight things up when it comes to having theirr firrst cigarrette and decide it's just not worrth it. I'm not against smoking, perrsonally I don't carre, but I underrstand and supporrt a perrsons rright to enjoy a night out without getting lung cancerr. Passive smoking exists and it's a killerr. |
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smoking or non smoking sir.? |
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yeah, your right over everyone elses, right? fuck off. I guess you'd understand if you knew someone with asthma.. it's effective exclusion from society. asthma doesn't have to be as large a (social) handicap, but with smoke every fucking where you go it's the same as being excluded. how'd you feel if all your friends went out and you couldn't go because you had asthma and people insisted on killing you "passively?" ..and no, I don't have asthma myself, but I know someone who does, and they've been excluded from going out until recently when they banned smoking in pubs and bars here. if you can't have fun in a pub without a smoke, you may want to re-consider fun. I'm saying the same to you as you say to all the people who don't like smoke: fuck off! |
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the amount that tell me passive smoking is worse than smoking is hillarious The mix of both mainstrream and sidestrream smoke that you brreathe passively is morre harrmful than mainstrream smoke alone, so passive smoking is morre harrmful, howeverr the smokerrs themselves arre exposed to both and arre clearrly at grreaterr rrisk. |
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try nicotine beer |
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I don't mind smokers, really.. I do think it stinks like hell, though, but I won't say anything. let's face it though - smokers are being had by the government but especially by the tobacco corporations.. ..SUCKERRRRRS! |
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I'm not saying that being a non-smoker empowers you to have the finances, know-how and general ability to establish a pub. Fine, so you don't. Others do. And i'm not saying that EVERY smoker will stay at home, but we've seen here the vast majority doing just that. The pubs have been robbed of their atmosphere, they're running out of money and many are shutting down. Nightlife in Dublin's not what it used to be, and it's because of this ban. Drunken Mastah, I have asthma, and although I do smoke, I only ever have problems with venues using a lot of dry ice. And to you, and people like you, I will repeat your "Fuck off". As I said, nightlife here has been affected very badly because of this bullshit and I'm not happy about it. |
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this bullshit. what bullshit... the goverrment eventually trrying to prrotect people frrom a verry serrious dangerr to theirr health? just because smoking in pubs is trradition doesn't mean that change isn't needed. smokerrs will have to accept that they can't smoke inside of pubs on a night out, which can't be harrd in comparrison what non-smokerrs have currrrently to accept on a night out. |
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yourr addiction to cigarrettes and the need it brrings to be able to feed it at all possible times is clouding yourr judgement. smoke doesn't add atmospherre and if it did why not just invest in some smoke machines. |
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to what non-smokerrs* |
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if you have asthma and still smoke, you're stupid. oh, and.. btw.. does this argument seem sound to you? "I will hurt you because I think it is fun" also.. "it's tradition." so's beating (or other severe things) your wife if she does something wrong in certain countries.. if traditions and customs never changed, women would still be in the kitchen, we wouldn't be allowed to choose who to marry, england would be invaded by norwegians who raped and pillaged your towns, killing people over minor things would be allowed... well, that's a bit hard and possibly not even true, but you see my point? sometimes things have to hit closer to home for people to "get it." Here's a challenge: for the next month, you can't go out with your friends.. at least not to any pubs or other places that allow smoking - see how you like it. |
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Smoke machines smell and taste awful - I'm not talking about the visual aesthetic of a smokey atmosphere, but the smell and general stuffyness of it. I've always enjoyed the smokey atmosphere in a pub, since I was a child. I only started smoking cigarettes, properly, two years ago. |
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this topic isn't close enough to my hearrt to use any morre enerrgy discussing it so i'm going make like a virginpusher and get out of herre. i'll just end by saying: Yourr comments arre completely devoid of any worth, nothing morre than the rramblings of a selfish child who can't have it all his way |
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God I hate no-smoking zealots. I'm a non-smoker, smoked for a year while I lived abroad, but I think a ban on smoking in pubs/clubs/bars is completely moronic. Just another "sign-of-the-times", ie. our over-litigious/body obsessed/paranoid and hypochondriacal times. We have a smoking ban in bars here, enacted several years ago. We also have a helmet law for motorcycles, they've taken the "monkey bars" out of children's playgrounds because of a fear of lawsuits, etc. etc. People like redrum who argue that people should just make non-smoking bars if they want them are absolutely correct. This is precisely the sort of situation in which a laissez faire (sp?) approach is warranted. If there was a market demand for such places, they would exist. Obviously, not enough non-smokers frequent bars - drinking is another health-damaging activity after all - to make such places profitable. Until such a time as there is a demand for this sort of place, non-smokers should just stfu and stop trying to meddle with other's enjoyment. I do agree with a ban on smoking in workplaces, it makes perfect sense - you have to be at your job, but going to a bar is a matter of choice. As for the people working at bars/pubs who are non-smokers and are worried about the effects of constant second-hand smoke, they should just find a different occupation. The smoke in bars should be seen as an occupational hazard, just as ear-damaging decibels are for those who work at concert venues, and STDs are for hookers. |
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>t's not the pubs banning smoking you dumb shit, >it's the government outlawing it in workplaces. So in no pub >will you be able to smoke. no need to be rude really and i bet u a quid i'll still be able to smoke in my local |
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there is one of those wetherspoons "Llyod" bars in my city. It's non smoking. If you want a fag, you have to go out onto the bit at the front,outside and light up. inside there is no smoking, which is good. you can actually smell the open log fire, your clothes don't stink the next day, so if you only wore them for a couple of hours to go out on a friday night, you can wear them again on the saturday daytime. the whole idea is so that people who work in bars are not subjected to carcinogens. doesn't sound like a 'shit idea' really. |
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"does anyone live in a country where a smoking ban has already come into place? whats it like?" ...like pure heaven - now we just have to ban it everywhere else too or put helmets on the smokers so we get rid of the stupidity once and for all. |
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I only smoke when i go to a gig or to certain pubs! I personally would love to have a smoke free pub but i'm not too sure about gigs/club venues. My views have changed since becoming a father though. Maybe they should ban children in pubs as well. haha. So i say ban smoking in Pubs Leave clubs/gig venues alone. I dont mind going outside for a smoke if i want one. |
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don't reproduce. |
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"Smoking beans"? what? |
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cool! |
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"if you don't like smoke, don't put yourself in a smokey environment" if i don't smoke - i'm not allowed to have a beer ? bullshit. smoking is still allowed in polish pubs, i have no problem with it myself. or maybe i should, since passive smoking is said to be worse for your health than the active ? |
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despite everything (and what anyone says), smoking is damn cool (as an image thing) and i say that to bring some light to the somewhat gritty personal-onslaught-esque mood in this thread. i guess health is quite a serious issue though. bye! |
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