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Can Ableton be used.....
 

offline manicminer from Paris (France) on 2005-09-29 06:57 [#01736660]
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....to mix two full-length MP3s like Traktor?

If so, how? Does it work well?


 

offline redrum from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2005-09-29 07:00 [#01736663]
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No, ableton can not be used.


 

offline KADO from The Belafonte (United Kingdom) on 2005-09-29 07:30 [#01736694]
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Yes Ableton can be used.

If you have V5 then it can directly import MP3's, earlier
versions require .Wav files.

After importing a track you need to setup warpmarkers. These
tell ableton the timing of the track. If you place them on
the first beat of every bar you will get very accurate
timing, but every 4 bars is usually tight enough.

I have used ableton at gigs like this a few times but it can
be very boring and a bit too easy. Lately i have been
taking out tracks that are broken into smaller looped
sections so you can remix tracks as you go along.

Aside from DJ'ing ableton is brilliant for tightening up
shit musicians like myself who can't play acoustic
instruments very well.


 

offline inkey from urgato (United States) on 2005-09-29 07:30 [#01736695]
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yes it can. go to their web page and read.


 

offline vlari from beyond the valley of the LOLs on 2005-09-29 07:37 [#01736708]
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Is there some way to turn off the conversion of the mp3s? I
tried v5 yesterday and found a folder with 2.2GB worth of
aiffs that had been converted from the tracks i used in my
mix.


 

offline stilaktive from a place on 2005-09-29 07:56 [#01736729]
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where was this folder?!


 

offline vlari from beyond the valley of the LOLs on 2005-09-29 08:00 [#01736733]
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Within the temp audio folder selected in the prefs


 

offline KADO from The Belafonte (United Kingdom) on 2005-09-29 08:23 [#01736770]
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I didn't know about the temp folder but it does make sense.
With the way that mp3's are encoded it wouldn't be possible
for Ableton to process editing etc efficiently. So I reckon
it is a necessary evil.


 

offline vlari from beyond the valley of the LOLs on 2005-09-29 08:25 [#01736772]
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Yeah I guess so...


 

offline manicminer from Paris (France) on 2005-09-29 08:38 [#01736780]
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Sounds good........ but how long does it take to set up warp
markers on an average track?


 

offline KADO from The Belafonte (United Kingdom) on 2005-09-29 10:30 [#01736846]
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It takes ages, especially for more abstract tracks. (House
tracks are easy.)

Before my last gig I spent the best part of a week
warpmarking about 50 records....it's painstaking work and I
got completely sick of the tracks by the time i had
finished.

Not recomended unless you have bags of time and want to
really fuck around with the tracks as you play, otherwise
stick to traktor or the technics.


 

offline manicminer from Paris (France) on 2005-09-29 10:35 [#01736852]
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Ah - maybe I won't bother then :)

You also need to set up the beatmarkers in Traktor for it to
work properly, but it only takes 30 seconds a track once
you've mastered it.



 

offline plaster from splitska 10 on 2005-09-29 11:38 [#01736911]
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basicly you load an mp3 track into live 5 and turn the warp
function on. once ableton finished scaning the track turn
the warp function on and adjust the start position (at the
first kick) then turn the metronome on and adjust the warp
markers according to the metronome. that's it.


 

offline plaster from splitska 10 on 2005-09-29 11:39 [#01736912]
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right...two time the same thing.sorry for that.


 

offline mestizo from madriz on 2005-09-29 15:31 [#01737163]
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if you know what's good for you ... you'll look into it

don't be lazy , tha's why theres so much crap everywhere
...

ableton is the fucking dogs bollocks for mixing .....


 

offline Ceri JC from Jefferson City (United States) on 2005-09-30 02:36 [#01737465]
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Agreed, it's much quicker easier in Traktor. As Kado says,
I'd only use ableton to remix tracks on the fly or combine
smallish loops of existing tracks with your own music.


 

offline Skink from A cesspool in eden on 2005-09-30 08:10 [#01737715]
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I thought the whole point was that live 5 would do all the
work for you. That's what the complex warp thing is about
surely?


 

offline giginger from Milky Beans (United Kingdom) on 2005-09-30 08:12 [#01737716]
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Complex Warp works damn well for me. My mix used only
complex warp and I put a lot of trust in it because I did
the mix on the fly.


 

offline manicminer from Paris (France) on 2005-09-30 09:02 [#01737753]
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So using Complex Warp there's no need to manually set up
warp markers?


 

offline Skink from A cesspool in eden on 2005-09-30 09:05 [#01737754]
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His comment would suggest so, i have also heard this from
other sources too.

I want to get this program soon.


 

offline stilaktive from a place on 2005-09-30 10:06 [#01737789]
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it is a fucking fantastic tool. i havent even thouched the
sequencer side of it though. i will soon.


 

offline giginger from Milky Beans (United Kingdom) on 2005-09-30 11:39 [#01737900]
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The answer is Yes and No.

I've found that more often than not that it's spot on. You
may need to move the first marker but after that it's good.
Sometimes though it's hopeless :)


 


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