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this was on a survey i just took... Per week, how many cups of caffeinated coffee do you drink? Do you make your own coffee? Do you feel that caffeinated coffee is addictive? i drink at least 3 cups a day and i do not feel it is addictive. i think asking me if i'm addicted to anything is asking me if i have any self control. |
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ahh, the weekly 'coffee' thrread |
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about 30 - 35 at home; yes at work; no yes i do |
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stop drinking your 3 cups a day. do you, for example, get a headache? then you'd have a physical addiction to caffeine. yes, coffee can be addictive. |
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" i think asking me if i'm addicted to anything is asking me if i have any self control." no, asking you if you're addicted is asking you if you're addicted. |
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a lot! |
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i can do that |
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depends what you mean by addiction. simply, physical addiction = tolerance (you need increasingly larger doses to achieve the desired effects) + withdrawal symptoms when use is stopped. if you mean addiction in a physiological sense, the answer is unequivocably yes. the psychological addiction is weaker than the physical, in the case of caffeine. i think cannabis is a good example of a drug that has a much stronger psychological addiction potential, and a weaker physical addiction potential. i brew and drink a large serving of espresso once a day. |
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I've cut down on my coffee and tea intake grreatly overr the past 5 orr 6 months forr two rreasons. 1. I was drrinking tea as an alterrnative to eating 2. It was making my teeth shit. |
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do you, for example, get a headache? then you'd have a physical addiction to caffeine. i dont get that headache, no. i experience very little physiological/psychological difficulty when i dont get my cups. |
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Job change, that's caused me to drrink less. I'd say I have between 3 and 4 cups a day now frrom about 10 to 15 cups a day 5 months ago. |
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about a pot a day. |
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Most people arre prrobably addicted to caffine, it's not a big deal. |
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It's that cigarette you have with coffee which is the big deal. |
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Nectar of the gods. Without it I wouldn't survive a working day. I keep drinking until the Nescafe machine at work spits out fluids that are reminiscent of tea. Fluids that are equally horribly tasting as well. Nothing a bit of sugar won't fix though... |
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Fluids that are equally horribly tasting as well. WHAT??? |
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spunk |
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FatherClem likes to drrink cups of spunk with 2 sugarrs. |
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Nah. Coffee. |
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I was trying to refer to that Tea bit, but I seem to have gotten lost in a flashbak of me getting coffee from the wonderous machine, that spits out coffee at the push of a button... Modern technology... * sigh * |
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in holidays, i almost never drink coffee... in university period, maybe three, four or five per week, from the coffee machine(s) at the university. i don't drink espresso or otherwise "strong" coffee, i don't like them - i always choose coffee with milk (latte i guess) or cappuccino, and the "nes" brand which is softer to taste. (i love hot spicy dishes and strong alcohols, but not strong coffee...) |
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I drink coffee a time per day, I like it very much. |
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hello clem! |
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i drink a lot more of tea than coffee. green tea especially. and also other herbal stuff... |
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caffeine withdrawl makes the body oversensitive to adenosine which lowers your blood pressure and causes a build up of blood in your head. hence brainache. you're not "addicted" to you daily cup of chow, psychologically or physiologically. this is not an episode from requiem for a dream=] |
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I really like tea with a bit of milk... if you never tried it you should :) |
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caffeine withdrawl makes the body oversensitive to adenosine which lowers blood pressure and causes a build up of blood in your head. hence brainache. you're not "addicted" to you daily cup of chow, psychologically or physiologically. this is not an episode from requiem for a dream=] |
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i guess we'll have to agree to disagree. withdrawal is withdrawal, whether from speed, or nicotine, or caffeine, regardless of the severity or cause of the symptoms. just because caffeine is physically addictive doesn't mean it's in the same league as so called hard drugs. |
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Hello sir! How are you? |
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I am addicted to Lucozade. |
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i wasn't distinguishing the definition of withdrawl, i was talking about addiction. severity is key to it. i like to see my gran once a week. if i don't i miss her. i am addicted to gran? an addiction is a habitual psychological and physiological dependence on a substance or practice beyond one's voluntary control. hardly applicable to a cup of coffee unless you have the will power of nintendo boxing's glass joe. |
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we're talking about exogenous substances that are introduced to the ol' system, yonderboy. we're not talking about grandma. we're also talking about the *physical* symptoms of withdrawal, not psychological effects or feelings. regular use changes your body physically, you experience discomfort when the use stops. we already acknowledged that the degree of discomfort may vary as all substances that cause withdrawal symptoms (and all people for that matter) are not equal in their effects/reactions. if it quacks, i'm not sure we have much choice but to call it a duck. i'm not saying this to suggest that people should stop drinking coffee because caffeine is addictive. but i think i know a clinic where you can get help for your grandma abuse problem. |
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I've never actually tried coffee. Unless you count Milk Tray sweets. |
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erm..no you missed my point completely. we're talking about addiction. see above question, "Do you feel that caffeinated coffee is addictive?". So if you are going to dismiss the dictionary definition of what an addiction is then what exactly are you talking about? An addiction isn't defined by a withdrawal symptom. Addiction is fundamentally about control or lack thereof. Caffeine doesn't directly affect the brains reward centers neurochemically, there is no physical dependance, only a psychological dependance which would be classified in order of control. For me the bottom line is if caffeine is psychologically addictive, it is to an absolutely trivial degree. Also your distinction between "physical symptoms" and psychological effects is essentially meaningless. A caffeine headache is a subjective determination made at a psychological level, along with everything else you "think". Or are you taking your blood pressure and doing an objective scientific blood analysis to determine your conclusions? but if it quacks like a duck and has 4 legs do you think it looks more like a proper animal? |
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the "dictionary definition" is not the end-all of meaning. more importantly, while there are people who assert that "addiction" is strictly defined in psychological terms, and does not concern physiological effects or withdrawal symptoms, there are also many who argue that when you consider addiction you must consider both psychological and physiological motivations, effects, symptoms etc. obviously i fall into the latter category. it's fine if you disagree, but i think you're going a little overboard with your "all physiological effects are psychological and subjective determinations until objective measurements are made" buisiness. next time you have a headache i'll be the first to remind you that you only have a subjective determination of pain at a psychological level and that i won't believe your headache is real until we run a few tests. |
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"the "dictionary definition" is not the end-all of meaning." erm. it is actually. the universal meaning of the word for all earth humans to adhere to for meaningful discussion. Something that’s fast disappearing here. “more importantly, while there are people who assert that "addiction" is strictly defined in psychological terms, and does not concern physiological effects or withdrawal symptoms, there are also many who argue that when you consider addiction you must consider both psychological and physiological motivations, effects, symptoms etc” Yip, and these are people who might want to check their dictionaries and see what an addiction is. Answer: an addiction is a habitual psychological or physiological dependence on a substance or practice “beyond” one's voluntary control. The key aspect is control. “i think you're going a little overboard with your "all physiological effects are psychological and subjective determinations until objective measurements are made" “ Erm. I didn’t say this. Please reread=] “next time you have a headache i'll be the first to remind you that you only have a subjective determination of pain at a psychological level and that i won't believe your headache is real until we run a few tests.” Yes, but you’ll not need to remind me. It was I who said it remember?=] This is getting old. I’m off to roast my beans. |
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you are either pulling my leg, or you are just full of shit. i imagine next time someone asks you your thoughts on aesthetics you'll just reach for your dictionary. =] |
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you might want to look up aesthetics in the dictionary too mate. |
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GREAT IDEA! *makes coffee* |
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never? °_° wow. |
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of course i've tried it : ) strong black tea with milk and eventually sugar, english style... is ok, but i really prefer pure teas and not too strong. |
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