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offline Eightch from London (United Kingdom) on 2005-09-23 02:58 [#01731185]
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What if an artist such as Eightch were to "sell out"? Is it
better to keep things real and keep getting fucked in the
ass because you can't pay your bills only to brag that you
kept it real while Britney Spears is promoting fucking shit
projects while traveling around the world in luxury. The art
of selling out... yes or no?


 

offline tolstoyed from the ocean on 2005-09-23 02:59 [#01731188]
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no ofcourse. if your music is good enoough it's going to
sell good enough that you'll make for a living out of it.
imo.


 

offline Eightch from London (United Kingdom) on 2005-09-23 03:11 [#01731204]
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I don't know. I've really been thinking about this. Take the
windowlicker video is was a perfect example of the art of
selling out. It was selling out but he did it in a very
artistic way and it yeilded a mass profit, by far the most
popular video. It was a sell out no doubt about it but it
was good which makes the difference, but what good is
keeping it real when there's nothing to show for it. Like I
don't know...most really talented musicians I know.


 

offline tolstoyed from the ocean on 2005-09-23 03:15 [#01731211]
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i don't share that opinion. richard is really good when it
comes to promoting himself/his music. he didn't compromise
his music in windowlicker which is the most important thing
and chris cunningham had totally free hands on the vid as
far as i know..if anyone said anything it wasn't richard but
warp, although i doubt it.

and if richard wanted to sell out he could have done that
before. he said in an interview that he had to take come to
daddy out from sales for a week because it was going too
high on the charts..
ofcourse it's easy for him since he's got enough money as it
is :)


 

offline Eightch from London (United Kingdom) on 2005-09-23 03:20 [#01731217]
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Thnaks for the comments again I think you have legitimate
and educated opinions. I welcome your thoughts.


 

offline Jarworski from The Grove (United Kingdom) on 2005-09-23 03:20 [#01731218]
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Hope you die real soon


 

offline J198 from Maastricht (Netherlands, The) on 2005-09-23 03:22 [#01731221]
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hi jar. how's it going?


 

offline E-man from Rixensart (Belgium) on 2005-09-23 03:22 [#01731222]
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that, goran, is a load of bullshit unfotunately (at least
where i live and of various places i discuss with people)
:S

exemples of good music (what is it anyway uh?) never getting
recognition are legions

i think you are right in the sense that a good selling out
is not generaly considered a bad move from the fans

all comes down to that, selling out is whoring yourself to
the masses in a sense, but you can lose all you integrity or
do it with style and "panache"

obviously there is various degree, on a scale of 1 to 10, 1
could be aphex [windowlicker/come to daddy] and 10 moby
[play] :D

i just woke up and maybe this post doesnt make much sense

are you johnny hawk?

am i awake?


 

offline tolstoyed from the ocean on 2005-09-23 03:22 [#01731223]
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:D

aw you guys..


 

offline tolstoyed from the ocean on 2005-09-23 03:24 [#01731226]
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it makes sense actually. it's quite easy for me really. when
an artist compromises his music because he want to sell
more, i call it a sell out. ofcourse it's not always easy to
spot when compromises are being made :)


 

offline Jarworski from The Grove (United Kingdom) on 2005-09-23 03:25 [#01731227]
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Splendid old boy. How's life?


 

offline E-man from Rixensart (Belgium) on 2005-09-23 03:26 [#01731228]
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he sold out in the sense that he did it with the clear goal
of raping the wallets of everybody :D

he did it so good everybody was happy to give him money, but
seriously, he made the thing he (and many other artitsts)
hate above all in the industry
which is the fucking promotion of the video/song which is
going enough against his ideals to make him a sell-out :D

ps: i love you richard, my little sell-out idm star


 

offline E-man from Rixensart (Belgium) on 2005-09-23 03:27 [#01731229]
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the bullshit comment was for the "if you music is good it
will sell"

after that it was directed at eightch :p


 

offline tolstoyed from the ocean on 2005-09-23 03:28 [#01731230]
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how can you be sure about that? :D
i bet he didn't mind the money, but i don't think he
compromised his music.

and he could have sold another 1000 copies of analords if he
was in for the money, but he didn't..i think many people
think he's more greedy than he actually is :)


 

offline tolstoyed from the ocean on 2005-09-23 03:30 [#01731233]
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yeah, ok, doesn't necessarily mean it will sell if it's
good, you're right. best if you do some pop music under some
secret alias if you want to live out of music :)


 

offline J198 from Maastricht (Netherlands, The) on 2005-09-23 03:30 [#01731234]
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good to hear. life's pretty ok at the moment. got a job at a
casino for a while now. How about you, same job?

also: whats that in your avatar?


 

offline Jarworski from The Grove (United Kingdom) on 2005-09-23 03:35 [#01731240]
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Sounds sweet. Yeh same old job here. Still playing 3000 mp3s
a day though.

That's the logo of Nile, a death metal band. *drools*


 

offline staz on 2005-09-23 06:07 [#01731328]
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Selling out to me means that you're compromising your
artistic integrity just to fit into the mainstream and sell
your product. I don't think Aphex ever sold out. He probably
just made some catchy tunes, felt they would click well with
mainstream music at the time and milked them for a while.


 


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