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sadist
from the dark side of the moon on 2005-08-28 11:41 [#01708236]
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are there any known deaf musicians ? i would want to listen to some of their music ! it interests me how it sounds and how they create it.
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hedphukkerr
from mathbotton (United States) on 2005-08-28 11:43 [#01708237]
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...beetoven?
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sadist
from the dark side of the moon on 2005-08-28 11:45 [#01708238]
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he was deaf later - that doesn't count
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mylittlesister
from ...wherever (United Kingdom) on 2005-08-28 11:49 [#01708239]
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evelyn glennie - percussionist [mainly pitched-percussion].
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Torture Garden
from Feelin' 2Pacish on 2005-08-28 11:52 [#01708240]
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Q4Z2X
on 2005-08-28 11:53 [#01708241]
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If they were always deaf, they'd just be doing certain visual patterns with the instrument, not knowing what anything actually sounded like, just judging it all on hearing-people's reactions. The end result would probably be about as good as blind painter who paints by his/her sense of touch.
But you never know, it could be possible that if they were taught certain 'rules' of composition, they could make something that sounds nice, but I think it would be impossible for them to really express themselves through the music.
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sadist
from the dark side of the moon on 2005-08-28 11:56 [#01708244]
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thought the same - but i want to hear some of it
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2005-08-28 11:58 [#01708246]
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apparently deaf people can teach themselves to pick up on vibrations.
I imagine the music would be very loud, and I'd love to hear some.. sounds like it could be interesting...
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sadist
from the dark side of the moon on 2005-08-28 12:00 [#01708248]
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vibration or just looking at the spectral analysis
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mylittlesister
from ...wherever (United Kingdom) on 2005-08-28 12:02 [#01708252]
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deafness isn't always pure silence, it is like the numbing of the auditory system.
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Q4Z2X
on 2005-08-28 12:03 [#01708254]
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I've heard that they can sense the vibrations, and some deaf people like to go to see loud music/concerts, but I doubt that it is possible for them to feel the vibrations enough to really have a grasp on the interplay of simultaneous notes and textures, etc.
Although, they probably could make some kick-ass 'Idm' that we'd all just eat up.
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sadist
from the dark side of the moon on 2005-08-28 12:06 [#01708256]
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i would laugh my ass off if merzbow would be deaf :>
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Q4Z2X
on 2005-08-28 12:09 [#01708260]
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Yeah, but however you define it, it still results in an inability to hear the outside world.
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vlari
from beyond the valley of the LOLs on 2005-08-28 12:11 [#01708264]
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i would start a label, call it deaf jam and release that shit
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Q4Z2X
on 2005-08-28 12:11 [#01708265]
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If you think about it, it could actually work for some kinds of noise /music concrete. They could just look at the waveforms and develop the song visually. Though I don't know if I would personally call the end result 'music'. I guess the whole 'noise music' thing is a bit iffy when it comes pinning down what kind of artistic expression it really is.
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mylittlesister
from ...wherever (United Kingdom) on 2005-08-28 12:16 [#01708270]
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good vibrations for deaf
i'm not sure a individual would want to make music, using solely visual techniques. where would the enjoyment be in that?
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Q4Z2X
on 2005-08-28 12:27 [#01708279]
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It's funny that most musicans limit themselves to those rigid harmonic rules, but without even really thinking about it.
I guess a real avant garde music snob would say that a musician aught to be deaf if all they are doing is exercising a tried-and-true scale.
Interesting article, though.
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QRDL
from Poland on 2005-08-28 12:36 [#01708280]
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Mylittlesister, have you seen the movie "Touch of Sound" about Gleenie and her collaboration with Fred Frith? Some pretty amazing music they play together, especially in the early parts of the movie.
Or maybe you even have their album. Is it out yet?
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mylittlesister
from ...wherever (United Kingdom) on 2005-08-28 12:43 [#01708284]
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no, i have not seen that film, and i have no knowledge about any evelyn glennie albums, perhaps i should take a look/listen.
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sadist
from the dark side of the moon on 2005-08-28 12:46 [#01708286]
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yeah that's a really good article ! thanks !
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QRDL
from Poland on 2005-08-28 12:47 [#01708287]
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I'll do a search for that movie on some trackers. Maybe it's available. It's very good apart for some cliched documentary scenes like a visit to family home, a chat with her brother etc.
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QRDL
from Poland on 2005-08-28 12:52 [#01708296]
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No luck here, no torrent, nothing on the ed2k network. Sad. Maybe it'll come on DVD when the EG+FF album is ready.
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sadist
from the dark side of the moon on 2005-08-28 13:19 [#01708341]
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:(
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acrid milk hall
from United Kingdom on 2005-08-28 13:24 [#01708348]
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Evelyn Glennie - Shadow Behind The Iron Sun is worth hearing
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sadist
from the dark side of the moon on 2005-08-28 13:56 [#01708367]
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thanks !
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acrid milk hall
from United Kingdom on 2005-08-28 14:09 [#01708372]
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No worries - there's also a Best Of LP that my dad has. It was my first introduction to Evelyn Glennie & features her two collaborations with Björk.
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Xeron
from London (United Kingdom) on 2005-08-28 14:21 [#01708377]
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dammit! you said all i was going to say. Infact all of you have mostly talked the topic through and through.
side note: Beethoven wrote some pieces while he was death. Many composers compose by listening to what is good or not. Rumour has it that Beethoven dreamt the music and saw the notes of his later pieces.
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sadist
from the dark side of the moon on 2005-08-28 14:25 [#01708380]
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:)
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isnieZot
from pooptown (Belgium) on 2005-08-28 14:27 [#01708384]
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so the rumours are true, beethoven was indeed a zombie.
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Xeron
from London (United Kingdom) on 2005-08-28 14:30 [#01708388]
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lol, a musical one AND he/it spoke german.
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sadist
from the dark side of the moon on 2005-08-28 14:30 [#01708389]
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lol
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ymenard
on 2005-08-28 14:52 [#01708402]
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I want to see a movie made by a blind person. And no I'm not talking about the Woody Allen pic he did about that, a true one ;)
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Xeron
from London (United Kingdom) on 2005-08-28 14:53 [#01708403]
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oh how embarrassing, deaf*
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mohamed
from the turtle business on 2008-11-03 21:32 [#02249962]
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interesting read
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hedphukkerr
from mathbotton (United States) on 2008-11-03 22:03 [#02249969]
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i've actually heard about deaf raves, where they wheel in enormous subs and have all sorts of visuals.
yep
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mohamed
from the turtle business on 2008-11-03 22:08 [#02249971]
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that is nice =)
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oxygenfad
from www.oxygenfad.com (Canada) on 2008-11-03 22:35 [#02249973]
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My old drummer for a band I jammed with used to have to go to camps and stuff because she was born legally deaf or something like that. She has 2 hearing aids and stuff. The trained here and stuff to recognize vibration and some other aspects of music at some of these sessions.
ANYWAY one day my friend was like "Hey my GF wants to drum for us!" she sat behind the drums and was like really awesome . Not only did she have an ear impairment she drummed really awesome for someone who never drummed before.
Our band was this noise rock thing I always wanted to do so don't expect smooth jazz or something heh, but if you are really interested here are some links to the songs. We put them out under my name because I already had some what of a fan base so they could actually reach some ppl !
Beautiful Bicycle (Performed with the Turbo Graphic 16's) Drywall
Everyone in the band besides my self had little or no band experience, but out of all the bands I've been in (lots) this was my favorite !
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QRDL
from Poland on 2008-11-04 08:18 [#02250053]
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OK, the movie was actually called Touch the Sound and you can find it at KG.
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obara
from Utrecht on 2008-11-04 15:05 [#02250136]
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that's really ace and unique
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