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offline Taoist Blockade from Wales on 2002-02-21 23:46 [#00096432]
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Everyone here seems to talk about certain albums being
"more accessible" than others. (ie everyone says, "get Amber
before Confield, its more accessible") Does it really make a
difference? I would never tell anyone to get Amber first, I
think whats really exciting about Autechre are the albums
like Lp5 and Confield. Why do you guys/girls think it makes
more sense to start with simpler stuff? (im just curious) I
say get right to the meat!


 

offline hevquip from megagram dusk sect (United States) on 2002-02-21 23:49 [#00096446]
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if you start with the best, everything else can be somewhat
pale in comparison.


 

offline ggloom from California (United States) on 2002-02-21 23:50 [#00096454]
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I started off buying Confield first...AND I AM PISSED AND
UNCERTAIN OF MY FUTURE ACTIONS BECAUSE OF THIS!!!


 

offline Phobiazero from the next Xltronic (Sweden) on 2002-02-21 23:52 [#00096460]
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...usually the folks describes what they have listened to
before and we goes from there...


 

offline Canerfold from Minneappleseed (United States) on 2002-02-21 23:53 [#00096463]
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I like the idea of going full on right away, but in reality
a lot of people are not going to like it because ae sounds
so different from anything else people are likely listening
to. When I first heard Tri Rep, I thought it sounded like
comlete noise and couldn't feel anything from it. If I had
heard anything later than that I wouldn't have ever got into
ae. I burned Tri Rep because my friend insited and I though
it was quite interesting as a novelty, like "what a fucked
up shitty sound, I should have a copy for shits and
giggles." But after hearing a few times all the way through
I started to get pulled into the deep melodies underneath
the sounds that I thought were random static at first, and
we lived happily ever after in never never land.


 

offline flea from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-02-21 23:55 [#00096473]
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familiarity helps accept the newer stranger elements a lot
more easily than landing in the middle of entirely alien
domain for majority of people.. structured rhythms are more
likely to coax fans of standard 4/4 to explore the other
elements that layerd on top of them..


 

offline Ophecks from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2002-02-21 23:55 [#00096476]
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''Accessibility'' is a weird term... being inaccessible
seems to denote ''creativity, uniqueness''... yet no band is
as accessible as the Beatles, and nobody has ever had as
much creativity as those beautiful bastards.

Confield is fucking overrated, they have MUCH better stuff.
Start with their inaccesssible album first, it'll make
Chiastic Slide seem THAT much better.


 

offline hevquip from megagram dusk sect (United States) on 2002-02-21 23:57 [#00096483]
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i think with autechre, i bought ep7 first and the latter
stuff. when i bought incunbula, i was kind of like "this
sucks" just because the latter stuff sounded so much more
complex.


 

offline Taoist Blockade from Wales on 2002-02-22 00:01 [#00096495]
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It just seems weird to me, I listened to Amber and
Incnabula(sp?) in the record store and I hated both of them
(so I thought I hated AE for like 6 months doh!) And then I
heard Chiastic Slide and Tri Repetae++ and I was blown
away. Maybe the "easier" releases are better for people who
arent into this kind of music, but I think there is
definitely something to be gained from going straight for
the interesting stuff.


 

offline ggloom from California (United States) on 2002-02-22 00:02 [#00096501]
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latter stuff = better


 

offline Phobiazero from the next Xltronic (Sweden) on 2002-02-22 00:03 [#00096503]
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disagree.


 

offline flea from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-02-22 00:06 [#00096517]
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I always like hearing the bands I care for in a
chronological progression and see for my self how their
sounds ideas concepts equipments etc evolve/devolve..that's
the way it makes more sense to me and it eliminates the
question of is the earlier work better than later etc..to me
every release leads to the next..


 

offline Canerfold from Minneappleseed (United States) on 2002-02-22 00:06 [#00096519]
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yeah tao, like phob said, it's very much dependant on the
person's listening history.


 

offline ggloom from California (United States) on 2002-02-22 00:10 [#00096532]
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yeah i like the idea of listening to a group i like
gradually, from early work to ending work...but i'm
impatient and don't care


 

offline flea from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-02-22 00:12 [#00096538]
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true some artists are not worth that much effort...


 

offline jand from Braintree (United Kingdom) on 2002-02-22 00:29 [#00096586]
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Perhaps one of one main likes about *DM is the fact that
it's a process & and always a work in progress...

Sure, CD's are released as one off events, like a snapshot
of the bands current leanings; unless you look at the whole
canon & get some idea of the developments & evolution over
time then I think it's tricky to fully understand the a lot
of the later works without reference to the earlier
ones....



 

offline flea from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-02-22 00:47 [#00096624]
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exactly


 

offline Canerfold from Minneappleseed (United States) on 2002-02-22 00:50 [#00096633]
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Right. I appreciate an artist more after I've heard the
earlier stuff. Evolution is beautiful, on the mass or the
personal scale.


 

offline flea from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-02-22 00:58 [#00096643]
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which reminds me
who here likes "theory of evolution" the bloody things like
a history lesson in IDM aint it..and brilliant the stuff's
so fresh even after 10 or so years


 

offline The_Funkmaster from St. John's (Canada) on 2002-02-22 01:03 [#00096645]
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it's a relative term... something is accessible to me if I
like it with my first listen... it doesn't make it any
better or worse then anything else necessarily, but I just
like it right off... whereas an inaccessable album takes
some time... like SAWII for me is really inaccessible... I
like most of it, but it's taken a long time...


 

offline flea from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-02-22 01:06 [#00096651]
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call me a heretic but i mostly find SAWII easy listening and
boring


 

offline Ophecks from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2002-02-22 01:07 [#00096652]
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Burn that heretic at the stake!


 

offline flea from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-02-22 01:23 [#00096668]
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me as the log roll witch? funny that!


 

offline The_Funkmaster from St. John's (Canada) on 2002-02-22 01:24 [#00096673]
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I find SAWII so inaccessible, and I found Kid A so
accessible whereas everyone was screaming about how
inaccessible it is... it's totally relative...


 

offline flea from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-02-22 01:33 [#00096679]
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hmm I am coming from Industrial background where these
superquietambientnoodling artists were all the rage for a
while with bands like godflesh and scorn churning out cd's
after cd's of side projects with nary a pulse...and they
bored me to death and I heard somewhere that SAWII was RDJ's
spoof of that genre...he's pretty spot on but it still bores
me shit less


 


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