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By armed police... |
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birth and death, its life |
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just rushed over to xlt to post a reply to the "another london bombing" thread. fucked up :/ i hope he wasn't innocent. shot 5 times. |
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yeah crazy shit! |
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i take back what i said, i didnt know it was happening again :( |
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I guess they had a reason? |
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"One of them was carrying a black handgun - it looked like an automatic - they pushed him to the floor, bundled on top of him and unloaded five shots into him." jeeeeesus |
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Well they must have had plans for him. They must have known. |
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I didn't know our police did that I'm kind of impressed |
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Buka-Buka! I'm not really bothered if he's innocent or not, the police did the right thing. Morale of the story: If, shortly after two bombings in a capital city, armed police shout 'stop' at you, don't run away. |
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what if he was listening to afx on headphones real loud :P |
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Then he would die! |
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Why would you suddenly run away from the police if you'd not heard them? Maybe he was a deaf bloke who coeincidentally started running for a train the exact same time the police appeared, but I doubt it. Even if that's the case, the police took an acceptable risk IMO. They almost certianly shot him once he was already on the floor for fear in the struggle he could still set off a detonator on his person. Had he got down and kept his hands where they could see, he'd still be alive now. Had he been listening to AFX, it depends what release it was- if it was smojphace, sure cap the sucker. If it was Drukqs, they shouldn't have shot him. |
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yes, you were right though - your first post "innocent or not they did the right thing" just seemed a bit harsh, although you're right; as terrible as it sounds, it's true that the "most efficient way to deal with a suicide bomber is a shot to the head". i'm surprised they unloaded 5 shots into him; could've been taking a risk if he'd got explosives tied to his body. unless they put all five in his head, which would have been a very ugly mess :s |
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I told you I was hardcore. |
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One for each eye. One in the mouth. One for each testical and one in the cock. |
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i don't like the idea of british police shooting people on the tube. it's the kind of thing we let the americans get on with - because of all the donuts they scoff the cops can't run as fast as the criminals so they shoot them. |
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a full nelson and repeated kicks in the bollocks would have done nicely |
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exactly! physical violence shows we care. getting shot is so impersonal. |
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I just hope they know what they were doing, shooting people is just not cricket |
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does anywhere say at what time this happened? |
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between 11:30 and 11:35 i guess - |
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ah... cheers for that page :) 1000: Passengers evacuated from Northern Line train at Stockwell Station, after hearing shots fired. The station is closed. |
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ah. silly me. |
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surely it would have been better to keep the fucker alive so that the secret MI5 agents could torture him by strapping him in a chair and forcing him to listen to the Crazy Frog on an unending loop until he finally cracks and spills the beans on where al those al-qaeda bastards are hiding and what their plans are? ..meh but why listen to my ideas, I'm only an insignificant mammel in the vast metropolis that is our society.. |
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So he was innocent and not attached to either of the bomb plots. The police made a huge blunder here. I appreciate the necessity to shoot-to-kill suicide bombers: since they set out on their mission to ultimately kill themselves, there will be no reasoning with them and no way for cops to negotiate. Ceri JC wrote: If, shortly after two bombings in a capital city, armed police shout 'stop' at you, don't run away. .. which is absolutely true and makes sense. However, the police who went after him were in plainclothes -- i can't speak for everyone else, but the reaction I would have to being shouted at by people holding guns, in a country where gun-crime isn't at all rare, would be to run like fuck. Thoughts? |
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It's fucked up man... Is it true that they shot this person from close by while holding him in detain? I read an eyewitness story about that. |
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Yes, the eyewitness reports are that he somehow stumbled onto the tube carriage and they apparently pushed him onto the ground OR he fell into the carriage, onto the ground. Regardless of what happened, he was on the ground, the policeman restrained him on the ground (kneeling on him apparently) and shot him in the head five times. |
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There was an interesting statement from the police saying "Well you can shoot them in the chest because that may be where the bombs are and shooting them elsewhere could leave them still able to activate the bomb. The only option is the head." Well technically this is true. I can't see why they couldn't just pistol whip him. If he's unconcious then he can't detonate it. I still agree with the shoot to kill policy though. It's unfortunate this person was innocent and that someone else has died, sort of indirectly, because of terrorism. |
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did they even confirm any shoot to kill policy before they started defending this? I think it is disgusting that they defend killing suspected suicide bombers when they've shown they suspect people based on little more than a hunch. |
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"I still agree with the shoot to kill policy though." If there really is a threat, yeah. But in this case there wasn't at all. 5 fucking shots... |
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BWACE YOSELF NIGGUH, BLAM! BLAM! BLAM!.. BLAM! BLAM! (they gots these cheeeeseburgers maan) |
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"5 fucking shots..." If you're shooting to kill, what does it matter? May as well empty a clip into him. A headshot won't neccessarily kill someone, in extreme cases they could still press a detonator. As redrum has pointed out, they were plainclothes, but even so, the police would almost certainly of shouted 'stop, police!' and flashed badges before giving chase. I'm not sure they did this, if they didn't, then yes, it was probably a bit dodgy. To quote Giginger: "It's unfortunate this person was innocent and that someone else has died, sort of indirectly, because of terrorism. " Agreed, I view it as the terrorists who did the bombing were responsible for this man's death, rather than the police. |
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You'd stop for someone waving a weapon at you, not in uniform, shouting "Police!"? I dunno, I'm completely at odds with you there. Especially if you were a foreigner in this situation, with poor english. Instinct would take over. It sounds like I'm trying to make excuses for the guy, but I'm just explaining why I think it's totally reasonable that he fled.. |
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The best way to protect our freedom and to combat terrorism is by having armed police tour the city gunning down any foreigners that move. What better way to eliminate a climate of fear than knowing that maybe you might get shot in the head by armed police not in uniform. |
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I really disagree. I want to see this apologised for, and not just 'sorry its nasty isn't it? yeah. We might do it again, but its not our fault'. It's their fault. I don't see any way around it. This should discourage shooting to kill but the police have decided to dress it up as a statement of how serious they are. |
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this is a really fuckin complicated case, isn't it? I don't know, but are they doing a police-review-thing of the shooting, or are they just saying: "no, sorry, we shot someone but we had probable cause (or whatever that is called), so we're not in the wrong." ? |
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Yes, I believe they'll be investigating the reason why they were spying on and following a brazillian who had nothing to do with terrorism. |
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good. that's a review board I wouldn't want to be on.. setting a presedence (sp?) in such a serious matter is a heavy load... |
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I heard a figure quoted on bbc news that around 10% of the met are carrying firearms now. That seems like a pretty high percentage... makes you wonder how well trained they are. If i had gang of men in plain clothes pointing automatic weapons at my head, couldn't speak english too well... i think it'd be an understandable panic-reaction just to run. Probably irrelevent, but personal experience tells me not to trust police in the slightest... at the same time i can kind of understand their reaction too though, although i'm sure ethnicity played a sizeable part in their decision. Which is always just lovely. It really is a climate of fear on many levels. We've already had a bomb threat on a mosque in the past few days, i'm sure looking forward to more vigilantism and darkie-shoots. |
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I've heard that he lived in the flat above an address mentioned in some personal papers found at one of the failed bomb sites. Hmm, did somebody say gross intelligence failure? |
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By the way, when it comes to suspected terrorists, the police don't have to shout "stop, police" if they are in their own clothes. If a group of beefy men, holding guns started chasing after me I'd sure as fuck run off. He probably thought he was going to get killed... which he did. |
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Aha! News has come out that his Visa had expired -- no doubt this is a new anti-immigration policy: all those foreigners who've got expired visas / no visas at all had better watch their backs (and their heads). |
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"I heard a figure quoted on bbc news that around 10% of the met are carrying firearms now. That seems like a pretty high percentage... makes you wonder how well trained they are." Pretty well- a mate is one of their armed officers and he is very well trained. He also seems to be completely without fear and I've seen him (unarmed) walk up to a bloke and take a gun off him. |
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guns scare the bejaysus out of me :( |
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shit my visa from Bolivia expired ages ago! *hides his head in the sand* |
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What i meant was, i'd like to know the percentage of officers carrying firearms before the attacks, in contrast to the figure now. It's just that 10% seems a bit ...off. If they're handing out guns to coppers with only 2-3 weeks training, i'd find that a little worrying. |
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I read an eyewitness quote saying the armed police panicked -- and looked panicked. Obviously this eyewitness may have been a foreigner in which case they were probably lying because a) they were selling illegal fags, b) they hate the west and want to explode it c) they are here in our country scrounging off the decent taxpayer while they drive around in fancy cars stealing our jobs and women. |
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I agree. |
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it is horrible. dude was freaked out and didn't want to get deported. but, the cops had no idea either.. maybe the guy was running cause his visa had expired, or maybe he had drugs on him, or maybe he was running toward a bigger crowd to detonate his bombjacket... they had to make that decision in like 11 seconds. shitty situation. |
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