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Monoid
from one source all things depend on 2005-07-21 06:28 [#01670293]
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Yeah I never got why they used them. I assumed it was show too.
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2005-07-21 06:30 [#01670296]
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they keep the orchestra in synch and kind of adjust the "levels" of each part.. they also tell the players when to play piano, forte, adante and whatnot. the conductor is the guy holding the orchestra together.
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Monoid
from one source all things depend on 2005-07-21 06:32 [#01670298]
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Why? I assume the musicians know the music so well they probably don't even look at him.
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giginger
from Milky Beans (United Kingdom) on 2005-07-21 06:33 [#01670300]
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I could ask the same question about your presence on this earth.
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mylittlesister
from ...wherever (United Kingdom) on 2005-07-21 06:33 [#01670301]
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the conductor may also arrange the music, e.g. cut bits out, change the order, re-orchestrate it, etc.
they're good for telling you when to come in as well, like when you've had 100bars rest and got bored counting the fuckers.
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Monoid
from one source all things depend on 2005-07-21 06:34 [#01670303]
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Im keeping XLTronic togther. You need me, you just dont know it
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redrum
from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2005-07-21 06:36 [#01670304]
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They do - but the conductor conducts the performance, the feeling...
they only became necessary with Romantic music, when the orchestra became much larger and there needed to be a cohesive element tieing the groups of instruments together. before that the lead violinist would "conduct"...
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2005-07-21 06:36 [#01670305]
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you assume wrong.
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2005-07-21 06:36 [#01670307]
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about not looking at him, that is.
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Monoid
from one source all things depend on 2005-07-21 06:49 [#01670323]
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Are his "moves" improvised or do they follow a strict code?
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2005-07-21 06:51 [#01670330]
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they follow a code. a certain gesture means "play faster" and so-on. of course he can improvise, but he'll still be using appropriate gestures.
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redrum
from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2005-07-21 06:55 [#01670339]
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His moves in keeping the beat are set. Moves regarding tempo and dynamics aren't, I believe, drunken mastah.... I think they're seen in the conductor's general movement and facial expression... like you'd have to be autistic to not understand when he wants you to play faster or louder..
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redrum
from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2005-07-21 06:56 [#01670344]
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as an aside, I always find frank zappa quite funny-lookin when he conducts with a guitar slung around his shoulder :)
what a guy
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2005-07-21 06:56 [#01670347]
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yes, tempo and dynamics have special gestures.. how would you mimic the difference between piano and piano pianissimo?
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redrum
from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2005-07-21 06:57 [#01670350]
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whip yer dick out
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mylittlesister
from ...wherever (United Kingdom) on 2005-07-21 06:59 [#01670352]
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they don't really gesture for individual dynamic markings, just 'quieter' or 'louder'. your music will tell you at which dynamic to play.
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2005-07-21 07:06 [#01670369]
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I've been around people who play in orchestras my whole life and asked them once what the conductor does.. they told me and I did some research, and suddenly going to the concerts, the conductor made more sense. there are special moves.
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mylittlesister
from ...wherever (United Kingdom) on 2005-07-21 07:16 [#01670393]
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well, of all my years of playing in orchestras i never identified special 'moves' for different dynamics. other than things such as sforzando.
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2005-07-21 07:18 [#01670399]
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maybe it's just this orchestra then. I've seen them with three different conductors who all did the same.
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mylittlesister
from ...wherever (United Kingdom) on 2005-07-21 07:20 [#01670410]
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this sums up their gestures quite well:
# Tempo. Through the speed of the gesture. # Volume. Through the size of the gesture. # Articulation. Through the angle and "weight" of the gesture.
# Starting Moment. Through a breath and the predictable speed of the gesture.
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redrum
from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2005-07-21 07:24 [#01670414]
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bravo jack, bravo :D
what do you play?
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DeleriousWeasel
from Guam on 2005-07-21 07:25 [#01670416]
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they serve to flap around at the front and keep the chello players who aren't doing much at the back awake.
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mylittlesister
from ...wherever (United Kingdom) on 2005-07-21 07:26 [#01670420]
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i played double bass, untill last year - when i left for uni.
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redrum
from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2005-07-21 07:28 [#01670424]
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ahh. so you're a true low-frequency addict then huh
they're unwieldy bastards. i wish i'd taken up piano to be honest, or at least kept it up, it's like <3. do you miss playing the dbl bass?
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mylittlesister
from ...wherever (United Kingdom) on 2005-07-21 07:32 [#01670431]
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only a bit, because bass guitar gradually took over and i still play that in a few different bands.
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thecurbcreeper
from United States on 2005-07-22 01:28 [#01671777]
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it's also usually a position of respect given to older, skilled musicians/composers.
kind of like they hit the top of the ladder.
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