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what bands/artists that produce music nowdays would you compare to post punk music? |
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i think addict records is kinda post punkish |
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could be butthole surfers? |
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these guys for sure :O |
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this is a tough question. |
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gah man, that drummer dude is the biggest waste of space.. a walking turd. |
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I thought there were lots of bands now that did the whole, art school punk thing, like Franz Ferdinand and a billion other facsimile bands that I'll never know of, least of all ever want to listen to. Isn't all music punk nowadays, taking the original ethos of "anyone can do it", now anyone can and does, the whole world's got their ep for download. |
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How would you define the term "post-punk" in terms of sonics and/or philisophy? |
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Isn't all music punk nowadays, taking the original ethos of "anyone can do it", now anyone can and does, the whole world's got their ep for download. you say that like it's a bad thing. you and i have done exactly that. i don't see a problem with it. there's always been shitty music recorded - at least now they aren't wasting vinyl. besides, i think there's more to punk music than just DIY. there's also hating ronald regan and stuff like that. ;) |
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and for some reason mtv is paying him money to lay his life out on the screen together with that chick from pacific blue... |
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that is to say, that's not the only defining characteristic of punk rock. i'd say it's actually one of the lesser traits. |
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they're not post-punk, they're just old spunk! Grreen Day arre post punk although I detest them. So is System of a Down's new materrial, especially Cigarro. The all American rrejects prrobably arre becuase they'rre so shit |
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that show makes me nauseous. it seriously turns my stomach. |
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Good question. I've always been foggy on what is and what's not post-punk, anyway... any list of important post-punk bands is going to encompass a lot of diverse sounds and sonik strategies. The term doesn't really mean much to me, maybe it meant more back then. But there's definitely groups I listen to when I'm in a ''post punk'' mewd, whatever that is. I don't care what it is. My favorite modern post-punky band would be Ulan Bator. Not quite post-rock, too svelte... not quite noise rock, not noisy enough... not quite straight rock, too noisy and post rocky... |
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you don't know what you're talking about. |
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Yeah that's not post-punk, that's like... pop-punk. I can see why he'd think that would be ''post-punk'' though. It seems pretty logical, but I guess you don't listen to Joy Division or This Heat or bands like that? |
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I don't mean it as neccessarily being a bad thing, but like anything, if everyone does it, a lot of it's going to be awful, in some regard, because not everyone does things for the right reasons. You're right that the DIY aspect isn't the only Punk principle though, pffff... I don't know, punk was a good thing and now anything is punk, but then all terms get abused, hijacked, sodomised etc. I don't think any music today can be described as post punk, it's a bit late isn't it, surely post punk comes straight after punk, now lots of things have come and gone since then. |
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yes, it wasn't so much about calling some music today post punk, more about finding some similarities..i must pick few songs to play, some old proper post punk but also some new ones that could fit in somehow..i think franz ferdinand (although i don't like/know them that much) is a good call.. |
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of course I listen to Joy Division sometimes! They were a great band, with Love will tear us apart being one of my favorite non-electronic songs of all time. since they became New Order I haven't been into them so much yet Blue Monday is a classic. |
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yeah, i agree. and i can't stand the throwing around of words like "punk" and "hardcore". it never applies anymore. but just because somebody says their bedazzled, pre-torn $80 sex pistols t-shirt is "punk" doesn't make it true at all. |
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sorry I was getting confused with pop-punk there |
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i think there certainly can be contemporary post punk bands. these are bands that are primarily influenced by or sound similar to post punk bands. interpol comes to mind as a band that derives much of their sound from the post punk era but has enough of their own identity to avoid claims of rip off. |
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Well wik-wik-wika-wikka-scratch master-wikipedia list all these new pretenders as: Franz Ferdinand, Interpol, Yeah Yeah Yeahs, Metric, The Killers, The Weakerthans and The Stills. I guess there are more underground bands that are truer to the trail, but... i don't know, it's just a genre now. The only people I think that could truthfully lay claim to producing Post Punk music are the original Post Punk bands or ex members of, a lot of which, are still going. |
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yeah... they're only slightly more intelligent than that nick and jessica thing, but that also just makes them more boring, and being more boring than that show takes a lot of effort... |
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A really really genuine post punk band, from 1979, then 1983, and now, woooah 2004 is/was , whpo flourished in the Cassette culture of the time, and now, what with the net, are flourishing again. You can download LOADS of their old tracks, my favourite being |
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shit like the yeah 3x and the killers and the strokes all that other shit with a The in front of a random word reminds me waaay more of a garage throwback than anything post-anything. it sounds like retro garage pop to me... so i don't know... the idea of post-punk seems very nebulous and vague to me. i'm not really sure how to classify something as post-punk. |
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heh.. . i made a thread about them last year, actually. you can bet it was hugely popular. :/ i thought that was considered more industrial? |
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Did you? You might have put me onto them then in the first place, good call! Well this is the thing isn't, post-punk rapidly blurs into goth, industrial, avant garde, that spikey reggae funk Ganfg of Four thing, new wave, ... I guess it's hard to point at a style of music and say "There! There, that's post punk", and that's probably why it appeals, ... I guess it's more of a movement in the sense of after punk killed off (or tried to) the Rock dinosaurs, it set about re inventing music, so there's not one style... god knows what I'm on about. |
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surely the only post punk group left worth listening to is the fall? |
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those mp3s sound awesome, can't find nothing on slsk though :) ohh, and lcd soundsystem could be something like a very trendy post punk thing maybe? |
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surely not. |
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oh dont be silly |
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the fall is good, but you're saying they're the only worthwhile post-punk band? i totally disagree. |
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james murphy sings and sounds much like the fall vocalist btw. i could easily mistaken them. |
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i said the only worthwhile one that are still going. these 'contemporary' young groups aren't really any cop now are they?, y'know, nicking other peoples music and that |
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course he does, he made sure of that =) |
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how about shellac? do they qualify? |
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maybe, but he still sounds good. well, some songs sound good. chris, shellac are more harderock kinda thing aren't they? more like stooges contemporaries perhaps.. |
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i must have a different definition of post punk then |
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harderock..heh, sorry, can't thinkn straight.. |
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hard rock and the stooges are terms i would never associate with shellac. they're nothing like that stuff. |
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by the way that complete fall peel sessions got released this year, its about 20 quid for six disks worth, its a fall fans field festival |
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hmm, you're probably right :) |
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yeah, must be nice for the fans..i haven't heard those sessions, but the stuff i do know all sounds too much alike so i imagine those 6 discs would be a bit much. |
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i can't really buy at all into the idea that Franz Ferdinand or Interpol, or really any of these new bands are Post-Punk... none of the bands today have the edge that pretty much all the original post-punk bands had... i don't think there are going to be too many 14 year old Killers fans who would be able to enjoy the Fall or the Pop Group... in all honesty i think it's an incredibly lazy lazy LAZY comparison. the only band i can think of that had the label attached that really warranted the comparison were the Liars... but even then... i'm reluctant to give it the same name... as other people have said, the context has totally changed. |
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Les Georges Leningrad |
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yeah, that's definitely closer... but still |
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all those bands listed as post punk really arent. i consider them more as dance rock maybe, or something along the lines of that. but is my thought that pixies and sonic youth and such are post punk? or is that just completely fucking wrong? im really not sure, so someone please... |
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sonic youth has more to do with no wave than post punk. |
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i said butthole surfers or zenigeva i know you don't know! |
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