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swift_jams
from big sky on 2005-06-09 18:58 [#01628118]
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Ever since I got a new CD Burner and blank CD's I have been making copies of as many electronica (all genres) imports as possible. I am almost done compiling a great collection of releases and have decided I would like to start DJing music. I know records are very expenive to buy and its hard to find people who spin vinyl anymore, so I thought I would buy a decent CD player DJ system, a couple of amps and anything else I need. Since I dont know much ( I will try to learn) I was wondering if anyone here has any suggestions on cheap equippment to buy; everything i need to get started and how stuff works in the world of DJing. I hope to be able to play stuff at parties for people who are getting into electronic music. Thank you to anyone who can actually help.
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Raz0rBlade_uk
on 2005-06-09 19:01 [#01628121]
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The first thing I would do is buy a couple of DJing magazines. Get some knowledge and get an idea about prices and what's good n stuff.
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swift_jams
from big sky on 2005-06-09 19:04 [#01628129]
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Yes. Where could i get these magazines? Preferably free ones but I am willing to pay.
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brokephones
from Londontario on 2005-06-09 19:05 [#01628132]
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Dude. Ableton Live. Try it!
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Raz0rBlade_uk
on 2005-06-09 19:06 [#01628135]
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any big newsagent? Here in the UK we have WHSmiths which have many magazines to cater for all kind of tastes. Lemme do a search for you.
here
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Combo
from Sex on 2005-06-09 19:07 [#01628136]
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you may begin by mixing mp3s or even flac if you prefer its quality ; why do you want a CD player DJ system ? it's not a bad idea imo but turntables are really the next level of DJing
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brokephones
from Londontario on 2005-06-09 19:08 [#01628140]
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what do you mean by the next level?
I think the next level of Djing is the fusion of live production with the actual mix.
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Raz0rBlade_uk
on 2005-06-09 19:09 [#01628142]
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this looks good
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Combo
from Sex on 2005-06-09 19:10 [#01628143]
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i mean that there's not a big difference between mp3s or CDs whereas there's one between those two and vinyles
nevertheless i think it's not a bad idea no mix CDs but for myself i'd rather buy turntables and mix mp3s as well for parties
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swift_jams
from big sky on 2005-06-09 19:10 [#01628145]
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really i just want to start out easy Combo.
plus CD's are a good way to get people intrested in electronic music. if they like it, they feel more promted to go out and buy/dl it if i use cds and not vinyl since they are easier to get.
Raz0r = thanks
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redrum
from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2005-06-09 19:13 [#01628147]
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Raz0r equals thanks eh.
christ you could've put a colon there and it would've been more grateful. fucking yanks.
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swift_jams
from big sky on 2005-06-09 19:14 [#01628149]
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:) - Fightin' Irish
actually my relatives were Irish so i cant complain
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brokephones
from Londontario on 2005-06-09 19:16 [#01628151]
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I don't think theres any advantage to spinning vinyl anymore. It used to be that just more dance music and rare edits,mixes etc were all on vinyl. But now you can just rip em to your hd and mix that way. Plus you can set loop points in digital mixing, which is not possible in vinyl (unless you're a good juggler). Even if you were the king of juggling, you could still loop like 20 things at once without limitations in a digital environment.
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brokephones
from Londontario on 2005-06-09 19:17 [#01628152]
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The one genre where vinyl is still very important is hip hop because the raw physicality of the techniques cannot be replicated so easily in a digital environment.
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swift_jams
from big sky on 2005-06-09 19:20 [#01628158]
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yeah id like to learn how to do all this mp3 looping/mixing whatever. help!
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Combo
from Sex on 2005-06-09 19:20 [#01628159]
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you guys seem to ignore that A LOT of music is absolutely IMPOSSIBLE to find on CD !! for example in house or techno music you can put your finger really deep in your ass before being able to find good EPs on CD !!! in those genres everything is on vinyle only man !
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redrum
from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2005-06-09 19:21 [#01628160]
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OMG SO IT'S LIKE CHEATING
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brokephones
from Londontario on 2005-06-09 19:22 [#01628163]
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hur ya go
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brokephones
from Londontario on 2005-06-09 19:23 [#01628164]
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So is using a drum machine. It simply cannot match the soul of a live drummer.
So is using a synth. It simply cannot match the soul of using a guitar.
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swift_jams
from big sky on 2005-06-09 19:24 [#01628165]
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your serious about this ableton stuff huh. i can to it live though. i dont own a laptop :(
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brokephones
from Londontario on 2005-06-09 19:25 [#01628166]
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Chuck your desktop rig in the trunk and head out. Easier to set up than a drum kit. So just tell yourself "Phew, at least Im not a drummer!"
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redrum
from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2005-06-09 19:25 [#01628167]
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ah yeah i was taking the mick - caps and 'omg' :)
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Combo
from Sex on 2005-06-09 19:25 [#01628168]
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ok nowadays you usually can find everything on mp3 since vinyles are always ripped by somebody _ but you CAN'T buy those pieces of music on CD. fact
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brokephones
from Londontario on 2005-06-09 19:26 [#01628169]
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You might find that Traktor feels more like having two decks in front of you. Give it a try if you're not feeling the ableton love.
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Combo
from Sex on 2005-06-09 19:27 [#01628171]
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i say that because i buy practically CDs only but i'm gonna buy a turntable really soon just to dig to these styles
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swift_jams
from big sky on 2005-06-09 19:27 [#01628172]
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brokephones - no. combo - yes. thank god for the internet
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brokephones
from Londontario on 2005-06-09 19:28 [#01628173]
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And some vinyl is fucking HARD to find online in mp3 format. I still buy vinyl regularly and rip it to wav. I still got love for my tables of course, but I like digital mixing as well.
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Combo
from Sex on 2005-06-09 19:30 [#01628177]
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yes the best thing is to use both a turntable and a cd player or an mp3/wav/flac software ; never ever say that vinyl is out of date plz
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brokephones
from Londontario on 2005-06-09 19:32 [#01628178]
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I didnt say that did I? I said there's no advantage to it anymore like there used to be. Tables are still great, but we cannot neglect the exciting alternatives that have surfaced in the last few years.
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Combo
from Sex on 2005-06-09 19:33 [#01628182]
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you are right but i prefer good rare music than special effects
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brokephones
from Londontario on 2005-06-09 19:35 [#01628184]
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So do I of course. Too much diddling causes the mix to be just a groove instead of a nice musical progression.
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Combo
from Sex on 2005-06-09 19:38 [#01628189]
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by the way there are also albums that come only on CD so i must be honnest and talk about ; that's why there's sometimes a war between CDs and vinyles lovers : everybody must have been disappointed at least once not to have been able to buy and album he would have loved to =$
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staz
on 2005-06-09 19:38 [#01628191]
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Winamp and strippers.
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brokephones
from Londontario on 2005-06-09 19:41 [#01628195]
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This is the key
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Aesthetics
from the IDM Kiosk on 2005-06-10 03:58 [#01628413]
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What about "reading the grooves"?
And besides all of the advantages I enjoy it much more when I see a DJ spinning some vinyl than a DJ in front of a monitor.
swift_jams: I think you should ask yourself... Do I want to play in a club or do I want to mix/play around with music at home.
Cheap and best solution imo is to buy an old turntable and see if you really can mix some hot stuff together.
You can also buy some cheap DJ CD stuff but I wonder if there are any cheap CD turntables.
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soundguy
from London (United Kingdom) on 2005-06-10 06:23 [#01628544]
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I use a set of pioneer cdj100s, a dirt cheap mixer, I recommend a set of kill switches because electronica doesn't really mix "out of the box" like other generic styles.
Most importantly LEARN YOUR MUSIC, if you wanna impress and be respected your mixing and programming needs to be as tight and smooth as a babies arse, this will take time and practise but it's worth it.
Also only play what you believe in, don't be afraid to take risks but don't be too wacky either (get's annoying), and don't expect everybody to fall in love with what you play, especially at parties, you'll always have people coming up and asking if you've "got any Kylie/Oasis/Beatles/insert your own overhyped, overated, mega populist artiste here", be nice but firm with these people, good luck
if you wanna check any of my mixes I'll post the link as soon as I know it (or you can ask Giginger cos he's hosting them for me)
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soundguy
from London (United Kingdom) on 2005-06-10 06:35 [#01628553]
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you don't need to read the grooves if you've got a digital time display and a good memory
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swift_jams
from big sky on 2005-06-10 07:21 [#01628590]
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thank you
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EVOL
from a long time ago on 2005-06-11 18:33 [#01629796]
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yeah i just moved to vegas where everybody i meet is a fucking dj from california where everybody i know is in a band. i can't play an instrument but i still love music and from what i can tell about dj's is that you just need to know your music and fuck if i could get my cd collection on vynil i'd be the shit,of course as mentioned before $$$. then people told me about cd mixers turntable type things i felt that i would be laughed at if i set up cd decks instead of felt truntables but shit you guys are fucking great with all this info THANKS!
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2005-06-11 18:47 [#01629808]
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you don't see many people spinning vinyl anymore? I hardly ever see anyone using cd-decks, and most clubs (at least around here) only has vinyl turntables as standard.. if you buy cd-decks, be prepared to bring your own when you're going to play out...
as aestethics said, you can "read" the grooves on vinyl, something you can't do with cds.. this makes mixing unknown stuff easier (you will eventually have to do that too, and it's not very impressive if you just go "nah, I can't! haven't practiced! don't know the track!"), as you can tell when the bass kicks in and how long it is until the next break... also scratching doesn't even sound halfway like 1/39th of what it should sound like with cds...
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denniscpearce
from Canada on 2005-06-11 18:52 [#01629812]
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tell me how a digital time display works for vinyl. it cant solely be based on the angle of the arm
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