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just wondering if there were any fans. i've been on a super huge kick lately and just wanted to share. you know. but none of the later death-metaly stuff. just up through elyzium. that's where the goodies lie. |
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BLUE WATER |
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is it death metal or what? i'm big into grindcore, but no death metal. what does it sound like? more info, please! :) |
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it's like spaghetti western goth rock. ...to sum it up. but no one seems to have any idea what i'm talking about. so nevermind. i'll go now. |
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Ah, one of the Watchermen. I was a huge fan when I was younger, up to when they first split after Elyzium, I had all the singles, saw them live a good few times... but yes, a couple of months ago I bought "The Nephilim" on CD (my vinyl copy is somewhere far away, and scratched in the middle of "Celebrate") and, absolutely loving it all over again. And "Psychonaut" still stands the test of time, what an epic! They are hard to describe without making them sound fucking awful, very atmospheric, mixture of Sergio Leone westerns and HP Lovecraft mythos, gothic without being Gothic, and, crucially, a flat out fucking dynamic rock band. YES AMBACE, I AM A BELIEVER. |
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I've got one of their albums, "Elezium" I think it's called, starts of brilliant then gets very, very dull and boring. I've never checked anything since, Smashing Pumpkins and The Cure are the best goths IMO |
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wow, that's quite a description. i guess i should try and find some of their music. |
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sounds like them. |
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Elyzium might not be the best album to start with, on one hand the slower tracks are more restrained while the "rock out" numbers do kind of forge into more experimental territory, it's an uneven listen. John Leckie produced it, there is a bit of a Pink Floyd vibe that's not as awful a thing as that sounds, but it could veer a little bit near Prog, really. Go for the CLASSIC first two albums "Dawnrazor" and "The Nephilim". For XLT relelvance seek out the track "Phobia". Avoid "Fallen" which the record company released before it was finished and despite it being abandoned, or solo project Nefilim which was a bit too much death metal, unless you're into that sort of thing. |
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I love the atmospheric build up to the first track on Elyzium, really made me want to like the rest of the album but it just never happened for me. They were very popular with people that liked cool music at the time though (including members of Bark Psychosis and D.I. if I remember rightly) , I just never had the chance to hear their really good stuff, I'm sure it's not the case with F.O.T.N. but another thing that always put me off of goth music at the time was the incredibly trite and cliched lyrics, I'm thinking more Sisters of Mercy and The Mission here, like Spinal Tap with added vampire bats. |
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I know what you mean with goth lyrics and imagery, the only bands I liked were The Neph' and Sisters of Mercy, both of which didn't really do the cliched goth thing. The Sisters music and lyrics I think is concerned a lot of times with the Cold War, the threat of annihilation (this is the 80s when Armageddon was more attractive) and a kind of apocalyptic vision of Europe. The Neph are lot more on the occult side, mixing a kind of romanticism with the supernatural, which sounds crappy but, well the chap knows his stuff, being the full on wiccan shamen or somesuch. But yes, never liked the Mission (too overblown and pompous), Bahuas seemed to push the pretentious bit too much and comedy goth bands like Alien Sex Fiend or Christian Death never went near my record player. |
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I actually remember that there used to be some really scary goths at one of the clubs I used to frequent at the time, I used to hang out in the "indie" room which played shoegazy/dance crossover stuff (think MBV "Soon") and every now and again you'd get a pinhead from Hellraiser lookalike spilling in from the "goth" room and doing that weird wavy hand dance they love so much to the Orb or something, very surreal. Actually the goths there seemed to favour industrial stuff like Front Line Assemby and K.M.F.D.M rather than goth rock but they were scary looking people, probably nice as pie if you got to know em though. |
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MOVE BACK STEP OUTSIDE YOURSELF OUTSIDE YOURSELF |
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dog_belch. seriously. i swear to god. i could fucking kiss you. you're genius. pure fucking awesomeness. and yeah, i'd add to your description of their sound and...but. you just nailed it so perfectly. sigh. losferwords. |
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*Breaks out the flour to create that "just returned from the desert look"* - Hell yeah! I'm glad you brought them up. It was only a couple of weeks ago I picked up the album again, i was in a record shop where obviously the owner is a bit of an old goth, but yeshhhhh, i was well happy they're as good, if not better, than I remember. I'm just tracking down the Dawnrazor tracks now till I can buy it again. .. "Dust", "Reanimator".... "The Sequel"... bloody marvelous. |
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yeah, and it's funny...because i actually just bought 'the nephilim' two days ago to finally complete the collection. i'd been searching for it everywhere used and then i just broke down and ordered it. deliciously tasty goodies. so we're both kindof going through a nephilim moment...uhm. at the moment. that makes me smile. i actually just ordered the dvd last night. it looks really interesting. it has three different live concerts on it and all their videos. i'll have it in about a week. yay! |
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oh. and if you want the dawnrazor tracks... i can get them to you. |
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Ace, I didn't know about that DVD with the concerts on, I just put in an order myself. I was at the Brixton Academy concert that's on there, the Visonary Heads one. As I recall there was a fucking great deal of dry ice so we'll see how it comes out on screen. They were a very good live band, the sound very faithful to the original but maybe a bit more raucous, and tracks like "Last exit for the lost" absolutely ace live. Oh this is all so jolly! |
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it's a shame i've only gotten into them in the last six months. because i'll never get to see them live. =*[ the dvd is the closest i'll get. but that's okay. this guy i work with says it's really good, so. we'll see. |
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They're meant to have a new album out any minute now so, don't despair too much. |
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that's the best news i've heard in quite some time. thank you. |
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oh me oh my...... my first ever gig was the nephilim at cambridge, they opened with preacher man which has that killer riff ...i loved it even tho i stood far too close to the speaker and was deafened the next day . yes fallen is a rushed out cd which i soo wanted to like but ......no theres a 2cd version of revelations (a best of) which some b sides etc on it and has celebrate (second seal) on it i'd try that if you were a new to their sound |
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i got my dvd today. and i watched it. impressive videos for how dated they are. i actually really like them. and, i was skeptical, because concert dvds usually get pretty boring about halfway through, but i was entertained right up until the end of the set. quite the performers. i still have to watch the brixton academy show, but...yeah. i dunno. money well spent, at any rate. mr. belch? have you received yours yet? |
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did you ever get this, mr. belch? actually, i know you'll never see this thread, so i'll have to bother you about it another time when you've returned to the fold. but not this fold. another fold. one that's all folded up and tucked away in a special place. outside of this fold. anyway, the album is mourning sun. somewhat disappointing as it's actually just carl mccoy and a nameless "nephilim". he won't say who did the album with him. bummer. and the album itself is mediocre. i wouldn't put it on my top 10 of 2005, that's for sure. the title track, however, is delicious. ...and i'm gonna go away now. |
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elder scrolls? |
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it's true that most goth music sucks total ass. when i was goth-ish, i pretty much only listened to the industrial stuff. but i painted my nails, wore vinyl pants, leather, eye makeup and such. but probably the only real goth type goth music i could tollerate was Christian Death and only when Roz Williams was singing. And really, only his cover of Panic in Detroit. Oh and Diamanda Galas which is sort of gothy. She puts on one killar live show. |
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oh and nice to see you ambsace. |
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dead can dance? |
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*tips hat* |
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isn't that just the coolest band photo ever?! Just getting into these, better late than never! The Nephilim is good but i'm really looking forward to getting Elizium from what i've heard its there best album. |
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are there any other good bands with a similar sound? I love that 80's, jangly, distorted guitar sound, sisters, bauhaus etc... any good ones i might not know of? |
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I can't think ... I'll say a really good band from the mid to late 80s is "Lowlife", try and find albums Diminuendo or Godhead. |
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Virgin Prunes- If I Die, I Die is a must hear if you like Bauhaus. Fucked up shit similar to their eclectic 3rd and 4th albums. And Fields of the Nephilim rock, I love this kind of stuff. |
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just what i was looking for, thanks! heard the Virgin Prunes on a goth compilation years ago when i was first getting into music, seemed quite quirky and playful, obviously too much for me then but i'll give them a listen now |
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Goth compilation, I'd say it was probably Baby Turns Blue? Fun dancy tune from If I Die, I Die, there's a couple of those on there. I think the best stuff on it is the slow, atmospheric glacial-post-punk tribal thingies. Anyway yeah, I think you'll like it, it's super. |
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