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help! philosophy students: kant.
 

offline welt on 2005-05-16 12:09 [#01600900]
Points: 2036 Status: Lurker



i've got an oral examination tomorrow.
and there's one information i might have to know ...
however, i dont find it in my notations and real life person
i might ask dont answer the phone. i dont find that
information on the internet either.
but i remember some philosophy students post here.
i already knew it all, so i dont need a real in depth
explanation, just a rough explanation so i remember.

So:

it's about kant's moral philosophy.
what do i do when two obilgations collide ? (that's my
question)

image i have to lie to save someone's life. then the
obligation to speak the truth collides with the obligation
to save a life.
HOW DO I WORK OUT WHICH OBLIGATION I FOLLOW? WHAT'S THE
CRITERIA I USE TO WORK THAT OUT?

that's the question. a short, but precise answer would be
great.


 

offline Anus_Presley on 2005-05-16 12:10 [#01600902]
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i still laugh at orral exam


 

offline Monoid from one source all things depend on 2005-05-16 12:10 [#01600903]
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The Imperative


 

offline Anus_Presley on 2005-05-16 12:11 [#01600905]
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this place is full of philosophy students, fucking skiverrs,
you'll neverr get a prroperr job you know.


 

offline elusive from detroit (United States) on 2005-05-16 12:11 [#01600906]
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ja?


 

offline welt on 2005-05-16 12:14 [#01600914]
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THAT'S NOT HELPFULL, MOFOS!


 

offline dopper from Bern (Switzerland) on 2005-05-16 12:17 [#01600921]
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usually you decide what you are going to do then fit the
appropriate theory around your decision, do you not? :)


 

offline 010101 from Vancouver (Canada) on 2005-05-16 12:17 [#01600922]
Points: 7669 Status: Regular



LAZY_KANT

Does this help?


 

offline dopper from Bern (Switzerland) on 2005-05-16 12:20 [#01600929]
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if it is i'd be really shocked. as if the information he
needed was to be found on the internet of all places.


 

offline welt on 2005-05-16 12:24 [#01600940]
Points: 2036 Status: Lurker | Followup to 010101: #01600922



no :/.

damn ... i'll try to remeber it myself ..........


 

offline Monoid from one source all things depend on 2005-05-16 12:34 [#01600954]
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Prioritize. All things are not equal


 

offline welt on 2005-05-16 12:38 [#01600962]
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that's the deal.
some DUTIES are more important than other DUTIES. but what's
the Criteria to find out which duty is more important?
i forgot.


 

offline 010101 from Vancouver (Canada) on 2005-05-16 12:38 [#01600963]
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Sorry it has been a long time since I read Kant and it
something I am glad I will never have to do again.


 

offline ori from vancouver (Canada) on 2005-05-16 12:45 [#01600976]
Points: 17 Status: Lurker



look here
http://studentweb.hunter.cuny.edu/~philo/organon/org1196....

read the part that starts with:

Ross views the formulations of the Categorical Imperative
not as deriving absolute duties, for such duties inevitably
result in moral conflicts in which one is obligated to both
do and not do an action. Instead, he believes that these
duties should be considered prima facie, whereas one duty is
to take priority over another on the basis of an intuitive
judgment. Lango points out that Ross is unclear about just
how this prioritizing is to be made. T. Hill similarly views
Kant's formulation not as dictating absolute duty, but
rather as representing an ideal toward which one should
strive (not necessarily achieve). Lango opposes both Ross
and Hill claiming that such informal approaches can be
replaced with an approach that is consistent with Kant's
ethical system.


 

offline ori from vancouver (Canada) on 2005-05-16 12:46 [#01600979]
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the crucial bit, i think, is:
"Kant believes that a conflict of duties is logically
inconceivable"


 

offline ori from vancouver (Canada) on 2005-05-16 12:48 [#01600985]
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better articulated:

According to Kant's theory:

(a) Perfect duties never conflict

e.g. the duty not to murder and the duty not to lie never
conflict

(b) If a perfect duty conflicts with an imperfect duty, then
one must fulfill the perfect duty

e.g. if the duty to help others and the duty not to lie
conflict (i.e. the only way to help others in this situation
is to lie), then one must not lie, and hence, not help
others

(c) If an imperfect duty conflicts with another imperfect
duty (and neither conflicts with any perfect duty), one may
choose between them according to prudence

e.g. if the duty to help others and the duty to develop
one's talents conflict (i.e. by developing one's talents in
this situation one is not helping others), then one may,
according to prudence, e.g., choose to develop one's
talents

taken (from here.


 

offline welt on 2005-05-16 12:51 [#01600991]
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yeah, that helps, THX!

we did have a formula at school to find out which duty is
more important. BUT OBVIOUSLY THAT WAS NOTHING KANT CAME UP
WITH. so if the teacher should bring up that question i know
how to answer in a more or less sufficient way (pointing out
that Kant considered conflict of duties logically
inconceivable etc)

Thx!


 

offline ori from vancouver (Canada) on 2005-05-16 12:52 [#01600993]
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perfect duties never conflict -- there is a
"formula" roughly speaking; look at my previous post.


 

offline welt on 2005-05-16 12:55 [#01601001]
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yeah, i wasnt that fast. now that's what i was actually
looking for. i'll get through i precisely. but .. thanks a
lot!


 

offline roygbivcore from Joyrex.com, of course! on 2005-05-16 13:00 [#01601013]
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just follow your heart. that's what i do.


 

offline welt on 2005-05-16 13:04 [#01601030]
Points: 2036 Status: Lurker | Followup to welt: #01601001



yes ... that's exactly the formula we used.
when i read that Kant considered it illogical for "duties to
conflict" i already thought that what we did at school was
somebody else's formula and i got that mixed up ... well ..
know that i have the information i can relax, thx again.


 

offline welt on 2005-05-17 06:54 [#01602067]
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kant wasnt relevant .... i got 13 points, which is like
"very good minus".


 


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