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         |  Dannn_
             from United Kingdom on 2005-05-09 08:37 [#01592476] Points: 7877 Status: Lurker
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 | Whats Logic like? I don't really know anything about it apart from someone I know tells me its amazing, but he's
 more interested in live instrument recording. And I don't
 see it mentioned here much. What's good/bad about it?
 
 
 
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         |  Zeus
             from San Francisco (United States) on 2005-05-09 08:53 [#01592484] Points: 14042 Status: Lurker
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 | Overview (a good 10 pages or so, click the links at the bottom to go to the next features section)
 
 Basically, its a MIDI and Audio production program.
 Sequencing, audio editing, etc.
 
 It comes with a massive load of pluggins, from effects, to
 synthesizers, a sampler, and a drum machine (all are of
 great quality)
 
 Its the program I use, and I love it. My advice though,
 would be to go to the link, to see all the things it really
 has to offer.
 
 Keep in mind, it can only run on Macs now (unless you have
 an older version. But apple bought it, and so all new
 versions are apple only)
 
 
 
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         |  stilaktive
             from a place on 2005-05-09 08:55 [#01592489] Points: 3166 Status: Lurker
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 | (thats because apple loves teh cock) 
 
 
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         |  obara
             from Utrecht on 2005-05-09 09:00 [#01592498] Points: 19430 Status: Regular
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 | Plaid used it during the "spokes" period 
 
 
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         |  Dannn_
             from United Kingdom on 2005-05-09 09:28 [#01592552] Points: 7877 Status: Lurker
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 | I'm hoping to be having a go on Logic 6 soon, since I want to use some new music software... shame it's so expensive,
 cause I like to buy stuff if I like it but £700 just isn't
 on.
 
 
 
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         |  Zeus
             from San Francisco (United States) on 2005-05-09 09:31 [#01592556] Points: 14042 Status: Lurker
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 | In my opinion, its a great price... youre getting a sequencer, an audio editor, and a fuck load of pro
 pluggins.
 
 the effects,  synths and sampler etc is enough to make full
 on pro tracks.
 
 imo.
 
 
 
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         |  Dannn_
             from United Kingdom on 2005-05-09 09:38 [#01592568] Points: 7877 Status: Lurker
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 | It really does look excellent 
 
 
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         |  vlari
             from beyond the valley of the LOLs on 2005-05-09 09:40 [#01592572] Points: 13915 Status: Regular
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 | You can get Logic Pro/Express 7 for a reasonable student-discount, if your eligible.
 
 
 
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         |  Dannn_
             from United Kingdom on 2005-05-09 09:45 [#01592584] Points: 7877 Status: Lurker
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 | Whats the deal with Express? Is it heavily shitted up or is it okay? 200 squids seems fair.
 
 And yes I'm so incredibly eligable, so much you wouldn't
 believe.
 
 
 
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         |  vlari
             from beyond the valley of the LOLs on 2005-05-09 09:53 [#01592607] Points: 13915 Status: Regular | Followup to Dannn_: #01592584
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 | If I had a fast enough computer I would buy Express, it's mostly functions like distributed dsp-processing(?) and
 other hi-end stuff I can't think of right now (ie stuff that
 not essential for bedroom peeps like you and me).
 
 
 
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         |  vlari
             from beyond the valley of the LOLs on 2005-05-09 09:58 [#01592615] Points: 13915 Status: Regular
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 | Pro vs Express 
 
 
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         |  Zeus
             from San Francisco (United States) on 2005-05-09 10:23 [#01592663] Points: 14042 Status: Lurker | Followup to Dannn_: #01592584
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 | its only 500 bucks with the student discount man! 
 go to apple.com
 
 go to the store
 
 go to the bottom left, and itll say education discounts or
 something
 
 click and put in the info
 
 
 
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         |  Zeus
             from San Francisco (United States) on 2005-05-09 10:25 [#01592673] Points: 14042 Status: Lurker
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 | Feature comparison for pro and express 
 
 
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         |  vlari
             from beyond the valley of the LOLs on 2005-05-09 11:00 [#01592714] Points: 13915 Status: Regular | Followup to Zeus: #01592673
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 | That's the one I was looking for. And the discounts they have are crazy (in a good way)
 
 
 
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         |  Dannn_
             from United Kingdom on 2005-05-09 11:45 [#01592760] Points: 7877 Status: Lurker
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 | Shite, thats an amazing discount. Pro and Express are both half price for students. Express = £98. I want.
 
 How easy is it to get into? Assuming for arguments sake the
 only real experience I have is childish dicking around with
 inferior programs. And is it really complete product? I mean
 I won't need to get any more software synths or anything, at
 least for a while?
 
 
 
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         |  Zeus
             from San Francisco (United States) on 2005-05-09 11:53 [#01592773] Points: 14042 Status: Lurker
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 | I cant say for express... as Ive never used it, but pro does have a bit of a learning curve. But once you get into the
 mindset of how it all works, it becomes very easy and
 intuitive to use (imo).
 
 But yeah, it should keep you all set as far as soft synths
 go, for awhile.
 
 Also, you can upgrade from express to pro, so if you find
 that you love it, then you can upgrade and the other
 features (which kick ASS)
 
 with express, you are getting a stipped down version of the
 sampler... but I do not know the difference. also, you dont
 get sculpture (a physical modeling synth), ultrabeat (a drum
 machine), and space designer (an incredible reverb unit)
 
 but if money is an issue, id say just get express, and learn
 how logic runs, and see if its for you. then, at a later
 point, upgrade, but there should be more then enough to get
 you started, and to hold you over for awhile, i beleive.
 
 
 
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         |  Zeus
             from San Francisco (United States) on 2005-05-09 11:55 [#01592777] Points: 14042 Status: Lurker
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 | oh yeah, and youre on a mac right? 
 
 
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         |  Zeus
             from San Francisco (United States) on 2005-05-09 11:58 [#01592778] Points: 14042 Status: Lurker
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 | hmmm, having a look around, it seems that the stripped down version of the sampler in express, doesnt let you make your
 own sample banks/instruments... you can only play the ones
 that come with logic. thats kind of a bummer.
 
 
 
 
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         |  Dannn_
             from United Kingdom on 2005-05-09 11:59 [#01592779] Points: 7877 Status: Lurker
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 | I sure am. Thanks a lot for your help by the way. I did notice that there was no mention of drums anywhere on the
 Express page, and the drum machine is excluded. What is
 there if theres no drum machine?
 
 
 
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         |  Zeus
             from San Francisco (United States) on 2005-05-09 12:05 [#01592789] Points: 14042 Status: Lurker
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 | the sampler comes with drum kits 
 These are the kits for the sampler that come with pro, but I
 dont know for sure if express has the same library. I THINK
 it does... but im not sure...
 
 dance
 standard
 808
 909
 hip hop
 jazz
 percussion
 pop
 rock
 techno
 
 if youre looking for very idm like bleepy sounds, youll have
 to make them yourself, using processing etc...
 
 
 
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         |  Dannn_
             from United Kingdom on 2005-05-09 12:14 [#01592817] Points: 7877 Status: Lurker
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 | I'm probably going to use breaks a lot so thats okay, as long as there is some drum setup there to begin with.
 
 
 
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         |  Zeus
             from San Francisco (United States) on 2005-05-09 12:18 [#01592822] Points: 14042 Status: Lurker
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 | yeah, so youd probably just  cut them up on an audio track 
 
 
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         |  nobsmuggler
             from silly mid-off on 2005-05-09 12:24 [#01592834] Points: 6265 Status: Addict
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 | the kits are the same 
 logic express does pretty much everything cubase sl can do
 
 the only draw back is its a bit more difficult to get free
 AU plugins than VST
 
 if you looking to make a living out of music, go with logic
 pro, if not, buy express
 
 
 
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