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From an interview with Mr. De' "Do you think you are sacrificing sound quality now that you are exclusively digital? Being an engineer I know the difference. It’s a mathematical difference as far as analog and digital is concerned. But can you really hear it? I think not. And we are still getting better with higher sampling rates and stuff. If you bring up a real Prophet 5 and a Pro-53 and you put them right next to each other, the Prophet 5 may sound a little warmer. But if I take the Pro-53 and roll a little bass on it and put a tube amplifier on, it is not going to sound any different - and people are realizing these things now." So, do you reckon there is much difference between the two now, in terms of sound quality (as opposed to detuning, etc.)? |
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there is no sound quality difference in the finished recorded product, but not in terms of one sounding better than the other, now live, i am betting the analogue stuff has more depth to it, the way that a live instrument may sound vs recorded- where as digital has that produced synthetic sound, preprogrammed and all. |
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oh well. A/D converters do the thing. |
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Analog stuff is more fun to use. And analog equipment smells cool as well. |
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I have no idea who this mr. de' is, but if he used classical instruments (piano, guitar, and so-on) in his music and now uses softsynths, there is a world of difference. Analogue modelling synths are getting better, but still have a way to go before they reach the real analogue ones... and.. running it through a tube amp to make it sound analogue.. well.. he's just adding the analogue sound of the tube amp, not making the original sound sound analogue... |
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i love the original sound sound analogue! |
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(oh, and a question for you.. it could probably be in that huge numark matrix thread, but... am I supposed to oil the crossfaders on my mixer? it just occured to me that this may be something I'd want to do, but the manual says nothing about it...) |
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yeah, drunken mastah is right.. this dude speaks shit. |
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Some people clean them (Dave_g will be able to point you int the right direction), I used to with my old PMC-270 fader, but it added so little life to them that it became cheaper/easier to just replace them when they started bleeding. One of the reasons I got my current mixer is that the faders are meant to last for 7 years (assuming 1 hours use, scratching, a day). 18 months later and it is as good as new. Mr De. used to use a piano, mainly though, he's refering to analogue gear. |
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more fun to use. haha. have you tried any of the arturia's soft synths like the arp 2600 or minimoog? |
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The arp 2600 is amazing. |
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with analogue the quality is in the warmth - and the shifting nuances in the harmonics digital is great too though for sheer purity - i like a combo of them both - horses for courses so to speak |
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Fair comment, but even a great softsynth with a nice MIDI controller isn't as enjoyable as a lovely analog beast imo. Plus softsynths aren't liked by my computer. Mind you, my computer doesn't seem to like anything. |
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ok.. thanks. |
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I think the softsynth manufacturers ought to add a "playing up" button, which, when on: they detune the longer you leave them on; sometimes hum mysteriously, when saving a pattern; you get very faint glitchy noises if you listen carefully, etc. |
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Bugger, I forgot to mention I can't remember what I used to clean it, may have been meths, but I'd check before doing it. |
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detuning was a huge problem in the begining,cos a band would have an concert in a big hall and the heat from human body would detune the oscilators. that was quite fucked up. |
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what happened with your fader...does it play weird cracklings? |
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ceri: will do. plaster: no, nothing wrong with it yet, but I was just thinking that all things need maintenance, and that there probably was something I should do even though the manual doesn't say what... I read somewhere about some guy who used vaseline to make the faders go smoother, but that doesn't sound like a good idea.. I was just thinking I should probably oil or clean it or something... where do I clean, btw? I can take the fader units out, and I don't really see a place to clean other than the surface... the mixer is a vestax pmc05 proIII. |
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ah,thats nothing hard,but if you think that ur work might damadge the fader's slider,then don't do it alone. basicly,you open the mixer and with an small screwdriver slightly remove the metal bearing which holds the slider together. inside that i will see a brown plastic plate which is necesary for applying volume when you move the fader. moist a piece of cloth with alcohol and rub a few times on that untill it's shiny. that's all,but since you have a vestax mixer,better send it to someone who knows its way around. |
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Yep, I'd take the faceplate off and remove the fader from mixer entirely (most PMCs, you can disconnect a little white lead, looks a bit like a PC internal power cable and then lift it out). That way, if you do tip oil all over the shop, it's only the fader that needs replacing. |
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Ok mr master, here's what you do. Take the faceplate off the mixer. use a pozidrive screwdriver (POZI not PHILLIPS!!!). Take the crossfader out of the mixer, again use a pozidrive screwdriver, there should be two screws holding the metal panel on the mixer, then two more to take the panel off the fader. (thats assuming its like its little brother the pmc06). Detach cable. Now, the crossfader should be in a little metal box, with holes in the side, which I assume are for oil. BUT its best to open the box so you can clean the tracks as well. use cutters to cut the thin bit of metal where the side of the box is soldered to the circuit board.( it isnt needed) Use a flat screwdriver and carefully prise the box. The first time its trickey, but remember to be careful and not to distort the shape of the box too much!! Ok, the little box is open and inside there should be about 4 thick dark tracks and a big block with metal prongs on two metal rails. Add oil to the rails. I use singer sowing machine oil, but something like that will do. basically clear lubricating oil, not thick engine oil(I doubt you would, but just in case, don't!!) The fader should move a lot smoother when you have the oil on there. Clean any excess with a bit of kitchen roll, tissue, etc. Get a cotton bud, like the stick with cotton on the ends for cleaning ears and dip in meths. Carefully rub the dark tracks avoiding the delicated metal bits on the moving bit. clean along the tracks and black stuff should come off. Clean them a bit, a few rubs up and down to get the large amounts of dirt off. Clean any bits off the tracks and rails. make sure no oil has dripped. snap the case back on. add the bit of metal, plug cable back in and put into mixer. Should be a lot better. Do this once a year or so, or whenever you want a supper slippy fader :D Does that make sense? |
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Whatever works for the particular song is best. |
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great! I'll have a look around and see how far I dare to take it.. thanks everyone! |
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analogue superiority doesn't lie in the intrinsect "quality" like noise floor, frequency range and all that... but in the fact that you don't have a/d conversion which is 90% of the time where you lose quality, and more important, no aliasing whatsoever the best thing to do is to test the filter of a analogue synth and one from a software: put the slowest lfo you can to sweep the filter with the resonance to the max (btw try to find a vst with a decent emulation of an analogue filter in self-oscilation and then show it to me because i'm still searching...) and listen closely to the sound with headphones. (better not put it trough your sound card or anything not necessary in the signal path) then do the same thing with the vst emulation (or a vst as close as possible to your hardware synth) and you'll clearly hear what i'm talking about |
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Wouldn't oil leave a residue buildup over time? I usually spray contact cleaner into the fader, it gets rid of carbon buildup and works a treat if you are getting bleed through or crackles. You can find it in most electrical shops. |
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do you just spray it into those holes on the side? |
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Yeah I have never dismantled the mixer and removed a fader to do it.....The stuff I buy comes with one of those long directional nozzle things, a bit like a straw. Just spray some into the gap whilst moving the fader side to side, you will feel it loosen up straight away. |
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ok. I'll check it out! thanks! |
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