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As long as the tories or the right wing parties don't get in I'm happy. |
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they take advantage of people with real issues, who care, but feel dissasociated from the 3 main parties. |
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right, i'm off to the polling station. |
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"How can you be in favour of the current trend towards a dumbing down of academia, as well as a (frankly rather snobbish) move away from vocational skills/apprentiships such as plumbing, plastering, etc. Do we really need/can we really afford, 40% of the population to go to university? Yes, choice of the individual should come into it, but should that override cost to the taxpayer and the need for a certain level of intelligence before entering higher education?" Puh-lees! You actually believe this elitist horse-shit? You have the stones to criticize my logic? Yes- education should only be for those that are smart enough for it! We need someone to empty my trash after all! I'm as politically pragmatic as the next guy, but to suggest that underfunding education is the answer for economic improvement is not only short sighted, but just plain dumb. |
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Public transport isn't so much a joke here as an impossibility- bus to Cheltenham or Swindon is the only option, unless you fancy £30+ taxi to one of those and from there the usual aggro with trains/buses. I've given up entirely on the idea of public transport. Where I live, I simply could not get to Wales at weekends using it (no buses on Sundays), without it running to about £120 round trip. Compare that to my bike or car and it's about £30-40. The healthcare ideas are designed to get more people to go private, because they can afford it, rather than to give cash to those who already use it. That said, the NHS are making half the cost of an operation for doing sweet FA, so they'd be laughing too. Those who can't afford to go private would still benefit from: a) decreased waiting lists and b) more money in the nhs (ie the half back from the non-existant operations carried out on new private patients). Also on the subject, I am deeply opposed to the idea that new, hugely expensive, treatments (running to over a million for single treatments), such as gene therapy, etc. should be available on the NHS. I've spoken to friends who are NHS doctors and they agree that we have discovered a lot of the most common/cheap treatments have been discovered, the more complex, rare (and consequently, most expensive to treat) cases are the main areas new breakthroughs will be made in. People will always die and without wishing to be blase about it, there comes a point where you cannot justify increasing the base level of healthcare as it would impinge so severely on cost that it would eat into other areas of life: what's the point in being healthy if there's no money for recreation? Such healthcare should be based on insurance (perhaps a nationalised format) IMO. In spite of my general conservatism, I'm for re-nationalisation of some things (gas, power, public transport). |
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i'll debate more in a bit. i agree, having worked for Transco (part of the gas network) its a fucking mess, totally unbeliveable. one example. there is a nut on a gas meter which regulates pressure. registered gas engineers (people who fix you boilers) are qualified and cabable to tighten said nut if its loose or faulty and dropping pressure. but it would be illeagal for them to do so, because the meters are property of gas transporters, so they had to ring me up and i had to send out an emergency engineer whilst they sit and wait two hours doing nothing, all because of fucking legislation. i got about 20 calls a day (yes 20 a day!) for this problem. but then thats what happens with privatisation. |
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Puh-lees! You actually believe this elitist horse-shit? You have the stones to criticize my logic? Yes- education should only be for those that are smart enough for it! We need someone to empty my trash after all! Damn, wrote a long repsonse but just lost it. So, bullet points: Yes, how silly of me to think you should reach a certain level of academic achievement to get onto a degree course. Anyone at all should be able to sign up for a doctorate. Cut the number of people going to university to 20% and you'd be able to: pay all their tuition fees, give them a realistic grant to live on and still save the taxpayer money. This would be done by: Increasing requirements to get onto courses (with a few exceptions, those who do badly at school, tend to to badly at college and vice versa.) You would naturally offer slight balancing for those from deprived backgrounds (in the same manner that oxbridge colleges currently do). Also by doing away with vocational degree courses and replacing them with apprenticeships, you would plug the skills gap in proffessions such as; plumbing, plastering and building(as opposed to making them spend 3 years and lots of cash on a degree, only to have to serve an training period equivalent to an apprenticeship anyway, upon graduation). There's no shame in these sort of professions, they are ont, as you put it, 'someone to empty my trash'. I know a lawyer and a computing consultant who have left to do these sort of jobs (more money, believe it or not!) This in turn would cut the piss-take prices of builders and the like, as well as drive our housing prices back down to a sensible level. The current system is the elitist one: it favours the middle classes who can afford to subsidise their kids going to college. The one I described would greatly level the playing field. |
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please stick to your own countries politics in future. |
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Yes they are all childish.. but I want a change and the only way that's gonna happen is blue. So thats where it lies for me.. |
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"please stick to your own countries politics in future." This is just too prescious. I'm sure you've never even once commented on politics in America. And yes limiting higher education to the top 20% will do wonders for your economy by neatly seperating out the poor and minorities that go to the shittest schools under the most deplorable conditions. I can see why you want to drop out of the EU. Under your system, where education is the exception, the merry old England wont have the brain power to compete. It is refreshing to see that politics in the UK are just as fucked as they are here. By the way- did you also vote for king today? Bet you'd vote for Harry- he looks simply smashing in the nazi uniform. |
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future. |
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so here we go then... anyone care? i love this kind of thing :) |
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yes |
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i hope you're sincere. are you 19? so you voted today? my opinion is if you don't vote you veto the right to complain. do you agree? |
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i only ask your age because i'm interested in if younger people take an interest in this fundamentally important day for the country |
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postal voting: apart from it being a waste of time, i think it is open to abuse and en mass, an untried system. ther are rumours of 60,000 postal votes given out in birmingham and only 40,000 being counted |
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I find it immensely depressing that more people vote for Pop Idol than they do in the general elections. |
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Thats because people vote loads of times for Pop Idol... much like the general elections!!!! *smug expression* [/ian hislop] |
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yes, i am only 19 but i really do care about these things, thus making the thread. i get angry with my friends/collegues when they say, "oh, they're all full of shit" or "i dont care about politics". its like do something about it then i feel so passionatley about democracy, and am quite disheartened so many young people dont want to know. this is my first proper vote (other than by-election). and i agree with you about non voters. how did you vote then? why? |
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i'm glad you voted, more people should be proactive. i wasn't belittling you because of your age, far from it, i read your posts, you can stand on your own 2 feet! :) it's a secret ballot, i'm not interested in cross-party politics per se, more interested in the hustings and the voting process as a whole. |
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I feel your pain. Many of my distant aquaintances simply care about tits, getting hammered, crap music, and moronic films. If you mention politics they look at you strangely, like you're a mentally disabled one legged tramp....even though they are eligable to vote (and it's an important thing that everyone should do, imo.) People just don't care. |
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he's cute though, ain't he? and when he's not bigging up ian hislop as some working class hero, he has some interesting things to say. |
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are you old enough to vote today? i don't know if you're 17 or 18. |
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politics schmolitics |
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I'm actually a hypocrit as I am not in a stable frame of mind myself right now. Good night (I did promis I wouldn't post here like that...) :S |
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18. Although you've seen me say I was 17, as my birthday was in between the two posts (of the two different ages.) |
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so you voted then? or not |
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it's okay, goodnight and sleeps |
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this is my 4th election i've voted in. HOW OLD AM I! |
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Yes I did. Liberal Democrats. I would explain why, but it would honestly make me look like a fool if I tried at this point in time. Tomorow, I shall do so. |
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i don't know what it's like on itv but the bbc coverage with paxman, shirlie williams & ian hislop is going down a treat! :) |
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please stop being so defensive, it's not flattering at all. be more confident of your own opinion. and you don't owe anyone an explanation of anything you say. |
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No no, not because of that. I mean when I am more sober minded. :-) Just been relaxing to some scary dark ambient music with some draw. I'd like to be in a mood where I can explain my position with some sense. |
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my only worry with this election is disheartened labour supporters have voted lib dem and its gonna let tories slowly slide back in. |
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draw? you mean resin? can you still get that??? |
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yeah that's me haha |
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you mean you feel the same or you have done that? |
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Well, tob be honest i was worried about that; I definately disagree with the the conservative policies (and I also find their adverts disgraceful-the ones to do with immigration) but then again, I am definately not pleased with labour. I just voted for the party whoes ideals I agreed with most closely. |
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It's weird how nicknames vary from place to place. ;-) Just regular marijuana, heheh. |
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well thats the problem with labour. their ideals are different from their realities. oh those tory billboard posters all got defaced... that was class, saw some good ones. |
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I didn't see that! It's damn right they did. IMO, they were playing up to the anti-immigration feeling that's in the atmosphere at the moment, and while on the surface they appeared to be saying otherwise I believe the intention behind those adverts (or the target audience) was obvious. |
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anyone staying up to watch it? |
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yep, allllllllllllllllllllllll night :) |
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till 6am? you watching bbc? |
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i am! but i'm always awake this time of night anyway. |
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not good news, tories have sneaked one from labour... |
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i think it was Ceri JC's fault. he is a tory boy |
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labour have lost out on some easy seats. i hope this sets alarm bells ringing for them..... |
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lab -21, con +14, ld +5 this is looking rather shady actually |
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well my local mp came in so i'm happy. what constituency are you in? did you see Reg Keys give his speech as an indie in Sedgefield? Blair did not look comfortable at all, really uneasy, and too fucking right. |
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