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Earthleakage, I wasn't refering to you. I do NOT think that abortion should be banned at all, I'm not some crazy fundimentalist. I agree it is far better to do it in a clean environment. Like I said, I think it's "wrong" (assuming that there is such a thing as "wrong") to end any life, but I wasn't speaking about it in a practical ethics sense, if you get. |
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page 2 snyper. |
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*if you get moi. |
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It's easier to kill unwanted children while they are in the womb than it is to jail them when they become a problem to society after childhood neglect. |
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maybe you shouldve mentioned that when setting your argument out at the beginning, unless of course you weren't really bothered about converse, just trying to stir people up by picking a somehwat contentious subject. but i'm sure you weren't doing that, were you? |
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Well, I didn't ever state in the first post that I think it should be banned, and I didn't say that I would try and stop people having an abortion, I just said why it was wrong from a logical perspective. But yes, perhaps I should have added it in the beginning. |
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That's why aborrtion should be legal. |
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it's really only "wrong" if you believe human life has some real value. but humans placing value on their own existance is a little non objective. if squirrels had a value system, they would likely place the value of their lives above ours. they would farm us for food and we could protest but they would just say, "shut-up worthless human" as they slit our jugular and bleed us before the blood congeals in our muscles and ruins the meat. true story! |
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is it just me, or is it kinda wierd when someone says "i'm pro abortion"? like, abortion, fuck yes! I'll take two please! GO ABORTION! |
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I think any being that is, or has the potential to be, self aware and rational, has an instrinsic right to life. |
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ahhaah! well now when you put it that way! :D |
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"potential" is quite subjective. if doctors can prove that a fetus will be born severely retarded such that it will have no potential for rational thought or self awareness, then abortion is ok then? if so, then why should science be allowed to dictate the value of human life when science is not a part of our being at all, but rather a by-product of human ingenuity? in this case, a scientist uses logical thought to place value on human life which is not so different than a christian using faith to achieve the same ends. ! |
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ideals are nice and all... in theory. |
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"This thread was for discussion. But highly predictably, people assumed I was preaching and ignored my constant affirmations that this is in the philosophical realm rather than the practical and just resorted to wonderously original insults." and this is were I think you're taking a wrong turn - you cannot see something as abortion in a purely philosophical way. you must also take the practical in account. |
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Well, I am only thinking from a theoritical perspective. Evolume, my personal opinion is that it's dangerous to start applying values to what constitues a life worth living what does not (as I said in the OP) and thus I take a more absolute view on things. However, I must admit you have been a bit stumped on that issue you presented, as a severely retarded baby may never reach a stage where it is self-aware, so I see your point here considering the fact that that I said any being that is self aware or rational has a right to live. Then again, that has little to do with abortion, as a severely retarded 3 year old may also not be self aware or rational. Perhaps I should re-think my criteria? Anyway, perhaos it would be better to close this thread soon. In any forum with the ability to do so, I would have done long ago. |
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page 3 snypa |
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lol @ epohs. |
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I haven't read through this entire post and frankly I don't think I can be arsed to plough through pages of the inevitable lunatic xltronicer rants that will doubtless litter this thread already. I just read the first post. It seems to me that: no-one has a right to take the life of another. The main issue with abortion should not be if it's legal but when. When does a foetus become human? Answer: I don't know. Not when it's a just bunch of a few hundred cells, I'd have thought. |
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Against abortion? Don't have one. |
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life is filled with moral ambiguity. you mention a slippery slope, but it's all slippery slopes. if you knew that killing one person would save millions of lives would you take that one life? if you didn't and millions lost their lives, would you feel responsible? what if saving millions meant taking two lives.. or three? what if you were unsure how many might be saved? it's never black and white. |
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I don't know, although I am not a utilitarian, simply because I do not have a crystal ball and will never know definate outcomes. I still think there are absolutes within situations. I think would be absolutely wrong for a man to rape a woman, regardless of whether soceity agreed with it or not. Likewise, I think slavery is wrong and always was wrong, regardless of what idiots thought back then. Why? Because uneccessary suffering was being caused to human beings. I guess my absolutist moral code is: "minimize harm". |
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We should grind up unwanted babies for use as hamburger. |
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Technically they wouldn't be hamburger. They'd have to be snotty-little-shit-burger, though I think McDonalds have already trademarked that. |
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If anti abortionists put the same effort into helping those kids who are already here, I think the world would be a better place. |
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They seem to put a lot of effort into protecting their little concern at the expense of eveything else. Like animal rights activists. They don't mind who they hurt as long as the animals don't get it. |
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Like people who feel morre sorrrry forr the donkeys that used to worrk down the mines and less sorrrry forr the men. |
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Wow, good for you! next |
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Hambaby? |
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Hamgerber? |
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sorry, i could'nt be bothered to read your posts. |
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me either, probably b/c its a stupid post that just took up more space. i'd rather read an analord post... |
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like yourrs? |
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harsh |
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yea like mine. then i'll take up some more space by putting my size 12 up your ass anus |
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xceque... ban him. ban all of them |
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shens, you aren't 12" if you we're you could give what I call a "natural abortion" but im nowhere near that big or long to be able to perform that act. |
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if ever there was a time for lol/wtf, this would be it. |
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laaaaaalallaaaaaaalaraaaaarrrrrrrrrrrlalrrrrrrrlalalrrla! |
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Great. You dont like abortion. Then guess what? Dont have one. Leave the rest of us alone. |
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ima have an 'bortion. |
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Weatheredstoner approves of: |
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CS2x are you a vegetarian? |
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What if you are sure that the child is going to a life in incredible physically pain? |
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i dont get how it's 'her body' it's in her body and it's another body that's in there the problem is people get pregnant despite measures taken, it's the way of nature. having it and giving it away is not as easy as getting an abortion |
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at the point of abortion it is not yet "another body". |
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ok, but it's not her body and it is something imo |
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reading the rest of hobbes heartfelt post i understand he argued kinda the same thing already but this is my main grievance in the abortion debate |
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If the dinosaurs were still around we wouldn't even have to worry about stuff like this. Some people would get eaten and die and others wouldn't; it would be an acceptable non-taboo fact of life. This post makes sense. |
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T-REX IS THE SHIT!!!! |
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