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aphex twin mastering to cassette!
 

offline magser on 2005-04-08 16:49 [#01557259]
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after finding out that richard d recorded a lot of saw1 & 2
and the early analogue bubblebath stuff to a nakamichi 680zx
tapedeck and reckoning that stuff sounds lovely fuzzy and
warm i decided to pick one up a few weeks back.
have to say, its definatley made my stuff sound much nicer,
takes the sheen nicely off vsti's imho - its no magic pill
of course but its a nice tip i thought id share with you
dudes seeing for my 1st post here :)


 

offline ecnadniarb on 2005-04-08 16:52 [#01557263]
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Welcome to the board. Nice to see you. I master all my
tracks using video cassette.


 

offline mylittlesister from ...wherever (United Kingdom) on 2005-04-08 16:54 [#01557269]
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hello, care to share any tracks? :)


 

offline vlari from beyond the valley of the LOLs on 2005-04-08 16:56 [#01557270]
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Try to take the tape and crunch it to get that chewed-up
tape sound that's on some of the Surfing on Sine Waves
tracks. And yes, tape do offer benefits to electronic
music.

And hey, welcome to the board. Nice 1st post. Here's to many
more.


 

offline Taxidermist from Black Grass on 2005-04-08 17:24 [#01557293]
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Boards of Canada also do that with all their music. I do
that to some of my stuff, but I havent' mastered anything in
a year, so it will be a while before I pull out the old tape
deck again.


 

offline obara from the one I'm in now on 2005-04-08 17:51 [#01557327]
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hi, this is a very nice first post


 

offline Drunken Mastah from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2005-04-08 18:05 [#01557340]
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welcome to the board, but I think I'll need further
clarifying...

do you mean that simply putting stuff onto cassette and then
recording back to comp does some "automatic" mastering?


 

offline mylittlesister from ...wherever (United Kingdom) on 2005-04-08 18:11 [#01557351]
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well, if you boost the signal when recording to tape you can
saturate the signal, giving an analogue-type compression.


 

offline Drunken Mastah from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2005-04-08 18:13 [#01557353]
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hmmm...

too bad I don't have much money for hardware these days...


 

offline bryce_berny from chronno (Canada) on 2005-04-08 18:21 [#01557365]
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analogue is so first quarter 2005


 

offline obara from the one I'm in now on 2005-04-08 18:32 [#01557377]
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just get proper cables, connect Your ol' tape-recorder to
Your cheap soundcard and...........cheers !!


 

offline magser on 2005-04-08 19:49 [#01557565]
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thx for the welcomes :)

yea its the saturation thats does it alright.

speaking of boards of canada, they actually sampled the
transport mechanism of a cassettedeck for "kid for today" :)


as for how expensive those nakimichi decks are - they do
come up occassionally on ebay (its where i got mine) but
watch out - the ones from the early 80s are the ones to
get, the modern naks arent a patch on the old ones. i did a
lot of research & the 660zx & 680zx are the "studio-quality"
ones - they were actually developed to rival reel-to-reel &
adat. they were 1000+ when released but can be picked up for
150-200 now.....the audiophiles can snatch them up or drive
the price up though

ill post some of my music next week...



 

offline denniscpearce from Canada on 2005-04-08 19:58 [#01557587]
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welcome!
yes i always did think it was a tape machine.
i actually did it before they released that one
here
not nearly as nice.


 

offline denniscpearce from Canada on 2005-04-08 20:00 [#01557594]
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btw i dont like that track of mine very much and it is very
old. i only posted it because of the tape machine bit.


 

offline nanotech from Sukavasti Amitaba Pureland (United States) on 2005-04-09 00:28 [#01557797]
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Good thread. I had just got out of certin slsk rooms and had
long disscussions about mastering, and the fact that RDJ
masters to tape was brought up. The points brought up in
this thread were disscussed as well.

What decks do you all use? How do you push the sound out to
tape/back to the comp (inputs/mixer/etc)?


 

offline JivverDicker from my house on 2005-04-09 00:36 [#01557799]
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Rubbish! Richard couldn't afford a nakamichi deck in saw 1
times. Where did you read this?


 

offline E-man from Rixensart (Belgium) on 2005-04-09 01:31 [#01557831]
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yes exactly...

it was probably c-90 cassette, maxells or tdk or whatever
cheap consumer brand there was everywhere in the 80's to
early 90's

on the planet-mu forum he did mention buying old military
equipment nowadays, like tapes and electronics components
because of the higher specs they have and cheap price when
you can find them



 

offline pylonbitch from Samoa on 2005-04-09 05:36 [#01557926]
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mastering to cassette tape will make your music sound shit,
kind of like when you recorded a vinyl record to tape when
you were young.

richard was lying if he said that in an interview.

tape saturation is done best with a reel to reel 1/4 inch
two track.

overload the signal, bang... gorgeous analog compression...
but it's not magic, and you can't use it on every tune as a
mastering technique.



 

offline magser on 2005-04-09 08:56 [#01558041]
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it was a nakamichi 680zx for sure.....lets just say i didnt
'read' it anywhere. the military gear, etc came after..


 

offline qrter from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2005-04-09 09:00 [#01558043]
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I'm inclined to believe Jivver on this one.


 

offline virginpusher from County Clare on 2005-04-09 09:14 [#01558063]
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welcome! :)

Alex: as am i


 

offline plaidzebra from so long, xlt on 2005-04-09 09:32 [#01558090]
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some of his early stuff really does sound as if it was
recorded to cassette, the sound quality is not good. there
are dropouts and spots where the tape sounds slightly chewed
(and it does not sound the least intentional). whether or
not he used a second hand nakamichi, he certainly wasn't
using state of the art equipment...

the rumor that i heard circa 1993-4 was that some tracks
were mastered to a "boom box" but who knows...



 

offline E-man from Rixensart (Belgium) on 2005-04-10 03:17 [#01558787]
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don't you make a confusion with the spectrum zx80 computer?
:D

name's a bit the same, but you seem to know what you are
talking about so i don't think you made that big a mistake.
lol

honestly i don't have much authority on the subject, but
like qrter, i tend to trust jiverdicker who might have more
of an hindsight on that time and place.



 

offline isnieZot from pooptown (Belgium) on 2005-04-10 06:02 [#01558859]
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mastering to cassette?
what a load of crap. just read what pylonbitch said.
I sometimes run a beat trought my cassette deck to pump it
up a bit. works very good.


 

offline Anus_Presley on 2005-04-10 06:09 [#01558862]
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you all suck go to hell everryone one of you


 

offline Anus_Presley on 2005-04-10 06:12 [#01558863]
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therre is a name forr that


 

offline apydiagirls from city (United Kingdom) on 2005-04-10 09:07 [#01558951]
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Vlari-Try to take the tape and crunch it to get that
chewed-up
tape sound that's on some of the Surfing on Sine Waves
tracks.

I think the reason some of "Sine waves" sounds crunched or
distorted is because orange juice was spilt on the master
tapes. Famous Aphex rumour no.234543 I know but the one
that's 100% likely to be true.
Personally I love c90 tape my self but only for sampling, I
would never master to cassette, warmth and saturation or
not, the quality in the end doesn't cut it IMO.


 

offline vlari from beyond the valley of the LOLs on 2005-04-10 09:27 [#01558974]
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Oh, there are loads of other old RDJ tracks that has that
"effect", but I uses Surfing as an example. The orange juice
incident could be the case even though the rumour says
nothing of when the master was orangejuiced.


 

offline apydiagirls from city (United Kingdom) on 2005-04-10 09:45 [#01558995]
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Yes, that's the thing I suppose, we don't know when it
happened. It could have been after release which would pose
another mystery as to the drop outs and crunching on that
album. Hmm.



 

offline oper4t0r from OS 1.1 on 2005-04-10 15:08 [#01559868]
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that shit about reel-to-reel sounds being nicer is all a
load of shit. hype for the weak-minded.


 

offline vlari from beyond the valley of the LOLs on 2005-04-10 15:44 [#01559996]
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You're getting lazy with your posts. Come on, you can do
better than this "oppose first post+throw in a general
insult for good measure" routine.

All the best, me.


 

offline Aphexisatwin from your mom's room (United States) on 2005-04-10 16:14 [#01560101]
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welcome and thanks for the tip :D I'll keep that in mind for
my next amient album


 


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