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Coding without tables is piss easy. |
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Depends what you want to do, old boy. I dare say I could tinker with Divs but I don't know what differnce it makes. Is it just coding snobbishness or are Tables being phased out? |
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Is it just coding snobbishness or are Tables being phased out? Yes, and yes. |
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I use Opera, never had any slow down problems. |
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Opera. |
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Oh well, more work for me then when all the sites need their tables removed. |
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Divs are a lot more flexible than tables. But tables are easier for people to visualise and implement. It doesn't matter really. |
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firefox (mostly) |
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table tags aren't being phased out at all, there is a move and recommendation for them to stop being used for site layout purposes, but for tabular information they still make perfect sense. |
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Yeah, I wouldn't sweat it too much. Going with tableless layouts & CSS has definate advantages, and I'd advise looking into it, and slowly migrating your new work that direction, but I highly doubt you'll run into any problems any time soon. It's really just a different way of thinking about web design. Seperating your markup from the visual presentation. It matters, but it isn't anything immediate. besides, by the time the majority of people have moved away from table based layouts, there'll be something cooler than CSS, and we'll all be moving past it. |
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Yes, I see now. I found this interesting comment though from a blog article on the matter... Despite the fact that tables are for tabular data, it has become the perfect medium for making a grid in web design so we can place our elements correctly in the page. One thing that is obvious is that neither CSS or (X)HTML was made by designers but programmers. When we try to mimic table-based in a CSS layout (once converted to the Zeldman Evangelion) it’s graphic design’s old grid what we want to acomplish. CSS is broken because it lacks of design most basic concept: Grids. But as you say, once everyone's got a handle on CSS it'll be x-VPL Insta-Layout standards that'll need boning up on. |
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love your avatar. : ) |
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That it complete rubbish. |
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yeah, there are definately some things that CSS is a total bitch about. the one that really irks me is how round-about and convoludedly hard it is to vertically center an element. it's really a shortcoming. but, once you dive into it, it ends up making a lot of sense. a lot of the reason people complain about tableless design is that they've got years of experience doing layout with tables, so that makes sense to them. |
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What's so hard about 'vertical-align:middle'? |
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Hmm, I'm afraid I do fall into that dusty, mothbitten, table-centric bracket. ecnadniarb : not is itn't |
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It's easy to do grids with divs and CSS. |
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vertical-align really only applies to inline objects, like text, and how text wraps around images, and whatnot. it won't allow you to center elements inside a block element, like a div or a table cell. |
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I use the standard IE. Firefox doesnt really cut it for me. I find IE more efficient for page viewing. |
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in order to do vertical centering with css you have to take a lot of bullshit steps.. the best i've found is to use absolute positioning. .. although, this example has a little extra code in there for rounding the corners; you can see what needs to be done in #horizon and .card. |
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(no flash) |
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Holy shitcock. No flash? :: bookmarks for dissection :: |
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yeah, it's a small site, but the DHTML work is stunning. |
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what's this table? columns? |
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TABLE IS WHERE YOU EAT PANCAEK |
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or where people in France go to have a shit. |
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sur la table? |
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I made my own browser out of some paper and stickyback-plastic. |
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tables = longer load time. divs = recommended + formatting of them being compatible with the future |
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i surf the webs on an abacas. |
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what is compitable with the future is only what we decide, no? |
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i like firefox a lot. i pretty much don't use IE at all anymore. my favorite new firefox pluggin is DTA or downthemall! which lets you download all the links on a given page with like 2 clicks. so for me and my browsing habits, firefox is pretty boss! |
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abacUs, you FOOL! |
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no. unfortunately we don't have anything to say about it... the does. |
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is this some sort of inhuman force? |
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yes. their leader can turn any straight man gay with the blink of an eye. *winks at qrter |
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i surf the webs on a rotary phone. |
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firefox mostly 1% of the time I need to use IE :( |
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first let me just mention that this thread is massive! i used ie for most things (firefox for certain sites) until a week ago. now i am forced to use mozilla and konquerer. mozilla sucks. i miss firefox, but can't install it. so if i could choose, i'd be using firefox. it's massive. |
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what flavor of linux are you using now, r40f? |
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kde 3.1 via libranet. it's the easiest (best?) one that came with libranet. are you familiar with it? what do you have? favorite parts of linux of the day: - audacity crashes at random times for no reason and everything is lost. - audacity crases when using ctrl+c to copy and then overwrites a previously saved file, permanently deleting the last 3/4 of it. - can't burn cdrs at all in one program, can't open the other program. both give errors. - rar software doesn't let me choose which files to rar, so i have to compress the entire directory. - nautilus destroys all settings and tries to reboot after logging back in. and it's only 5pm! EFFICIENT! |
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I can't believe the shit Linux is giving you. Worst problem I ever had with Linux was when one particular edition of Mandrake had shitty fonts that fucked up Mozilla and I could never figure out how to fix them. Maybe it's hardware related - a bad stick of ram? Bios needs updating? |
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Oh man, don't bother with rar - use tar and gzip. |
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I've never had problems with rar. |
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good sir, those are only the NEW problems i've first experienced today... i had to start using rar's because i had to download/upload files in this format. |
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I suspect he's using the command line version - there are probably options and shit that must be specified in a string of martian hieroglyphics. I've been using for windows - it handles rar archives and everything else, and it's free. I don't use normal people programs because I am a communist salmon. |
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wasn't pomme going to help you out? |
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i know as much about that as you do... and yes, i'm using the command-line nonsense. linux is better than windows because you get to open a program unrelated to the one you want to use, type in archaic syntax, figure out which parameters will do the job and then hope that you have "permission" to do it and everything is configured properly in all your other non-related programs that you don't even know how to access. and in windows, to do the same thing, you'd only get to click two things and that's no fun at all! |
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yeah but imagine the millions who dont? its important so that webdesigners can continue to provide you with the best online experience, and as with anything this means, standards. cross-browser. |
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you have to imagine how many people are viewing your site - (potentially) millions = different browsers at different resolutions. yeah tables may look sweet on your moniter in ie/firefox but that doesnt necessarily apply to the thousands of people potentially visiting.. |
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