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The term "Black music"
 

offline Monoid from one source all things depend on 2005-04-04 04:05 [#01552433]
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Isnt that a bit racist, to label music as BLACK (or white)


 

offline danbrusca from Derbyshire (United Kingdom) on 2005-04-04 04:06 [#01552434]
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No.


 

offline Monoid from one source all things depend on 2005-04-04 04:07 [#01552435]
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What about "nigger music" ?


 

offline -crazone from smashing acid over and over on 2005-04-04 04:07 [#01552437]
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yes.


 

offline Raz0rBlade_uk on 2005-04-04 04:08 [#01552438]
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BLACK has a history which means it's OK


 

offline giginger from Milky Beans (United Kingdom) on 2005-04-04 04:09 [#01552439]
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I think it's pointless really. Labels are what cause racism
in the first place.

Cracker.


 

offline Monoid from one source all things depend on 2005-04-04 04:10 [#01552441]
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All music has a "History"


 

offline Raz0rBlade_uk on 2005-04-04 04:14 [#01552446]
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BLACK has a history of racism which they broke free of. They
have something to be proud of. They have their BLACK
identity. This is their history and it is centered by the
term "BLACK" which means it's OK to associate it with stuff.


 

offline Monoid from one source all things depend on 2005-04-04 04:17 [#01552447]
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Huh ?


 

offline Raz0rBlade_uk on 2005-04-04 04:20 [#01552449]
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well if we had 'white music' what could we associate it
with?
If the world was taken over by an evil dictator who also
happened to be black and decided that all white people
should die and then they killed most of us but then we
survived. Then in the future we could have 'white stuff'

I barely know what I'm talking about. I'm just memorising
stuff from a druken conversation I had once


 

offline Raz0rBlade_uk on 2005-04-04 04:21 [#01552450]
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sorry "we" is a little too presumptuous


 

offline Monoid from one source all things depend on 2005-04-04 04:23 [#01552452]
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Well you could associate fascism with being "White"? "White
power" and all


 

offline Raz0rBlade_uk on 2005-04-04 04:25 [#01552453]
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yeah exactly so it's negative. "black power" seems almost
normal


 

offline Monoid from one source all things depend on 2005-04-04 04:26 [#01552454]
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Or "girl power"


 

offline Raz0rBlade_uk on 2005-04-04 04:27 [#01552456]
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lol yes I was thinking the same


 

offline Monoid from one source all things depend on 2005-04-04 04:44 [#01552472]
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So, the "girl power" movement was in reality a sales vehicle
for soon to be Preteen-Moms-on-welfare ?


 

offline Raz0rBlade_uk on 2005-04-04 04:48 [#01552475]
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yes


 

offline Monoid from one source all things depend on 2005-04-04 04:51 [#01552476]
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It's sort of like how "Rage Against the Machine" was really
a not-so-subtle cover for, "Give Your Money to The Machine
In The Name of Anarchism"

So, the skin colour is used as a sales argument ?


 

offline Raz0rBlade_uk on 2005-04-04 05:00 [#01552487]
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I guess it could be seen as that but some people may not be
aware of it because they have become so used to hearing
"black" this and "black" that. but yes, essentially it
is black music for black people


 

offline Exaph from United Kingdom on 2005-04-04 05:02 [#01552488]
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the MOBO awards are racist. dont get me fucking started.
imagine what would happen if there were awards for 'music of
white origin' ???!!!


 

offline isnieZot from pooptown (Belgium) on 2005-04-04 06:05 [#01552532]
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black people invented music basicly.
techno, rock, reggae, hip hop, blues, jazz,... you name it
they invented it. except for country and that shit ofcourse.


 

offline Exaph from United Kingdom on 2005-04-04 06:12 [#01552537]
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invented music or genres? how do you know?


 

offline Exaph from United Kingdom on 2005-04-04 06:14 [#01552539]
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I regard it like the 'black' in 'black magic'


 

offline isnieZot from pooptown (Belgium) on 2005-04-04 06:15 [#01552542]
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both


 

offline mylittlesister from ...wherever (United Kingdom) on 2005-04-04 06:23 [#01552549]
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if someone mentions 'black music' to me i instantly think
"blues". everything else (e.g. jazz, reggae,etc...) is a
development from the blues [slight exaggeration, but
hopefully you can see what i mean]
.


 

offline Exaph from United Kingdom on 2005-04-04 06:30 [#01552557]
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That was a joke right?


 

offline Bob Mcbob on 2005-04-04 06:54 [#01552586]
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genre is irrelevant, black music is music by a black artist,
or by a group with mostly/all black members. simple as that.


 

offline Mertens from Motor City (United States) on 2005-04-04 07:21 [#01552611]
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Monoid, this might interest you.


 

offline Ceri JC from Jefferson City (United States) on 2005-04-04 07:26 [#01552624]
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I thought the (politically) correct term was, "Music of
Black Origin", hence, the "MOBO" awards.

It makes sense, because even if something starts as "black
music", eg reggae, rap, etc. it quickly becomes music that
people of all ethnicities make.

Afrikka Bambatta famously pointed out that "the music has no
colour", because even hip hop and rap have used breaks from
"white" music like rock. It all borrows from other genres,
anyway, so the idea of some "pure" genre that stands alone,
untainted by other styles, is ludicrous (or, if you prefer,
"ludacris" ;-).


 

offline Mertens from Motor City (United States) on 2005-04-04 07:30 [#01552628]
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Techno is a good example. Both Afrikka Babbatta and the
Belleville Three were inspired by Kraftwerk. Not to mention
the influence of Stockhausen, John Cage and other radical
composers. Everyone burrows from everyone.


 


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