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offline adam from londonidium (United Kingdom) on 2005-03-13 09:47 [#01531317]
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Digital isn't useless. It's just not as good. This post i'm
pasting here was on Planet Mu, you may have seen it, you may
know who's attribued to writing it too. Doesn't matter
anyway, it's a most excellent post regardless. So good
infact, i thought it good to post here. No link but you can
search it there.

Re: surfing in bong water
Author: analord
Date: 02-07-05 03:14

"some people bought the analogue equipment when it was
unfashionable and very cheap though.
some of us are over 30 you know!
anyone remember when 303`s were £50? and coke was 16p a
tin? crisps 5p

also you have overlooked A LOT of other points because its
not all about the overall frequency response of the
recording system its how the sound gets there in the first
place.
here are some things which you can`t get from a plugin,they
are often emulated but due to their hugely complex nature
are always pretty crass aproximations..

the sound of analogue equpiment including EQ, changes very
noticably over even a few hours due to temperature changes
within a circuit.
Anyone who has tried to make tracs on a few analogue synths
and make them stay in tune can tell you this,you leave a
trac running for a few hours come back and think Im sure I
didnt fucking write that,I must be going mental!

this affects all the components in a synth/EQ in an almost
infinte amount of tiny ways.
and the amount differs from circuit to circuit depending on
the design.

the interaction of different channels and their respective
signals with an analogue mixer are very
complex,EQ,dynamics....
any fx, analogue or digital that are plugged into it all
have their own special complex characteristics and all
interact with each other differently and change depending on
their routing.
Nobody that ive heard of has even begun to start emulating
analogue mixer circuitry in software,just the aesthetics,it
will come but im sure it will be a crap half hearted effort
like most pretend synth plugins are.
they should be called PST synths, P for pretend


 

offline horsefactory from 💠 (United Kingdom) on 2005-03-13 09:48 [#01531319]
Points: 14867 Status: Regular



stop


 

offline adam from londonidium (United Kingdom) on 2005-03-13 09:48 [#01531320]
Points: 209 Status: Lurker



...
Every piece of outboard gear has its own sound
,reverbs,modulation effects etc
real room reverb, this in itself companies have spent
decades trying to emulate and not even got close in my
opinion, even the best attempts like Quantec and EMT only
scratch the surface.

analogue EQ is currently impossible in theory to be emulated
digitally,quite intense maths shit involed in this if youre
really that interested,you could look it up...good luck.

your soundcard will always make things sound like its come
from THAT soundcard..they ALL impose their different sound
characteristics onto whatever comes out of them they are far
from being totally neutral devices.

all the components of a circuit like resistors and
capacitors subtley differ from each other depending on their
quality but even the most high quality milatary spec ones
are never EXACTLY the same.

no two analogue synths can ever be built exactly the
same,there are tiny human/automated errors in building the
circuits,tweaking the trimpots for example which is usually
done manually in a lot of analogue shit.
just compare the sound of 2 808 drum machines next to each
other and you will see what I mean,you always thought an 808
was an 808 right?
same goes for 303`s they all sound subltey
different,different voltage scaling of the oscillator is
usually quite noticable.

VST plugins are restricted by a finite number of
calculations per second these factors are WAY beyond their
CURRENT capability.

Then there is the question of the physicallity of the
instrument this affects the way a human will emotionally
interact with it and therfore affect what they will actually
do with it! often overlooked from the maths heads,this is
probably the biggest factor I think.
for example the smell of analogue stuff as well as the look
of it puts you in a certain mental state which is very
different from looking at a computer screen.

then there is analogue tape...ah this really could go on
forever....



 

offline adam from londonidium (United Kingdom) on 2005-03-13 09:49 [#01531321]
Points: 209 Status: Lurker



..im quite drunk cant be bothered to type anymore...
so yeah,whatever, you obviously dont have to have analogue
equipment to make `good` music in case thats the impression
im giving,EVERYTHING has its uses .And not all anlaogue
equipment is expensive you can still get bargains like old
high end military audio devices,tape machines fx etc just go
for the unfashionable stuff.

Richard. "

Good eh. Sorry author..



 

offline k_maty on 2005-03-13 09:50 [#01531322]
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Oh thats just perfect. Thankyou


 

offline fleetmouse from Horny for Truth on 2005-03-13 09:51 [#01531324]
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Analog synths are just cheap imitations of humans. Leave a
jazz quintet improvising on your song for a few hours then
come back and you'll really be surprised.

For that matter human musicians are just imitating the
sounds of wind, birdsong and their own heartbeats.

Maybe to be truly musically enlightened you must be silent
and attentive.


 

offline adam from londonidium (United Kingdom) on 2005-03-13 09:53 [#01531327]
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Maybe you spend to long using VST


 

offline -crazone from smashing acid over and over on 2005-03-13 09:55 [#01531330]
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stop and listen


 

offline r40f from qrters tea party on 2005-03-13 10:01 [#01531338]
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i'm not going to read that because there's no point in
arguing what instruments an artist chooses to use. that's
stupid.


 

offline adam from londonidium (United Kingdom) on 2005-03-13 10:03 [#01531341]
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lol.. you're not going to read (?) ... because what??



 

offline isnieZot from pooptown (Belgium) on 2005-03-13 10:03 [#01531343]
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who fucking cares...


 

offline giginger from Milky Beans (United Kingdom) on 2005-03-13 10:04 [#01531345]
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As is often the case. I agree with you.


 

offline r40f from qrters tea party on 2005-03-13 10:06 [#01531348]
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what don't you understand? i said, "i'm not going to read
that because there's no point in arguing what instruments an
artist chooses to use. that's stupid."

i read the opening line of the post, which should contain a
summary of the rest of the essay. based on that, i realised
that it was in no way interesting to me. then i replied.


 

offline adam from londonidium (United Kingdom) on 2005-03-13 10:12 [#01531357]
Points: 209 Status: Lurker



why does reading = arguing?
very strange.. that's what i don't understand. Do you not
read anthing unless you see a point in arguing about it?..
lol..
Are you interested in electronic music? Actually just saw
your 'record bag', so I guess not. Ok, carry on..


 

offline r40f from qrters tea party on 2005-03-13 10:18 [#01531360]
Points: 14210 Status: Regular | Followup to adam: #01531357



why did i think there was an argument in store? because the
first line of the thread is, "Digital isn't useless. It's
just not as good. "


 

offline r40f from qrters tea party on 2005-03-13 10:18 [#01531361]
Points: 14210 Status: Regular



"Actually just saw your 'record bag', so I guess not. Ok,
carry on.. "

take another look. look a little more closely, please.


 

offline adam from londonidium (United Kingdom) on 2005-03-13 10:21 [#01531362]
Points: 209 Status: Lurker



the question was 'why does reading = arguing?'



 

offline r40f from qrters tea party on 2005-03-13 10:22 [#01531363]
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if that's really the one you want to go with, i see no point
in discussing anything further with you.


 

offline adam from londonidium (United Kingdom) on 2005-03-13 10:23 [#01531364]
Points: 209 Status: Lurker



why not just answer it?


 

offline virginpusher from County Clare on 2005-03-13 10:27 [#01531367]
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"stop."

-horsefactory-


 

offline adam from londonidium (United Kingdom) on 2005-03-13 10:27 [#01531368]
Points: 209 Status: Lurker



Because, i think, it was a 'stupid' statement.
Much as how not reading something 'because there's no point
in arguing' is an 'stupid' attitude.
There's no harm in reading, you might learn something.. i
think that would be good.


 

offline r40f from qrters tea party on 2005-03-13 10:28 [#01531370]
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because i didn't imply at any point that "reading = arguing"
and it proves that you have nothing interesting to say so
you're content with making up silly things.


 

offline r40f from qrters tea party on 2005-03-13 10:29 [#01531372]
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i agree, this thread blows.


 

offline obara from Utrecht on 2005-03-13 10:30 [#01531373]
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am i late for a lecture ? sorry adam, could you start from
beginning ?


 

offline adam from londonidium (United Kingdom) on 2005-03-13 10:36 [#01531376]
Points: 209 Status: Lurker



I didn't write it


 

offline adam from londonidium (United Kingdom) on 2005-03-13 10:41 [#01531380]
Points: 209 Status: Lurker



'r40f'
"I'm not going to read that because there's no point in
arguing what instruments and artists choooses to use."

'r40f' again -
"because I didn't at any point imply at any point that
"reading = arguing".."

Oh, really.. Again, why does reading = arguing? Can't you
read without arguing? Seems pretty stupid to me..


 

offline redrum from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2005-03-13 12:06 [#01531491]
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wow, you're a thinker.

oh emm gee, ess tee eff ewe


 

offline mrgypsum on 2005-03-13 14:42 [#01531678]
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so how does this prove that vinyl is better than cd? so an
analogue device is an instrument, yeah so what -anything is
an instrument, so is a computer...all i want is a cd from
rephlex of the analord stuff so i can buy it, it feels
strange having all of the new afx stuff and getting it for
free. I JUST WANT A GODDAMN CD, i dont want to know if
vinyl is better or not i dont give fuck about that
argument.


 

offline virginpusher from County Clare on 2005-03-13 14:44 [#01531681]
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Dont talk to r40f like that!

*acts threatening*


 

offline Combo from Sex on 2005-03-13 14:48 [#01531686]
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YEAH !


 

offline mrgypsum on 2005-03-13 14:50 [#01531690]
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i know its a little much, should i have added

"AND YOU CAN STICK THAT WHERE THE SUN DONT SHINE?"

:)


 

offline bogala from NYC (United States) on 2005-03-14 01:15 [#01532246]
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How can you not like to read Richards words on musical
equipment? This is milk and honey. Besides, I grew up
thinking he made all his tracks with a home made
calculator, and a toaster in a wet bath tub.


 

offline mimi on 2005-03-14 01:22 [#01532249]
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i can't believe people are bitching about that post. it was
bitching!


 

offline mimi on 2005-03-14 01:23 [#01532250]
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that just made me like aphex twin a million times more


 

offline Exaph from United Kingdom on 2005-03-14 01:49 [#01532264]
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wise words indeed from rdj.. sure you will all read when you
know its by him. anyways, i posted this a while ago on here.



 

offline obara from Utrecht on 2005-03-14 02:19 [#01532276]
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ANALORD


 

offline big from lsg on 2005-03-14 04:12 [#01532319]
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i even think the instruments in edirol orchestral sound
pretty real, though a bit the same all the time maybe


 

offline Bob Mcbob on 2005-03-14 04:21 [#01532324]
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just close your eyes when you listen and suddenly your cd
will sound as good as vinyl


 


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