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a debate about this started couple of weeks ago overhere..our populations keeps droping because apperantly more and more people are deciding to not have kids, so now some are suggesting that there should be a certain tax that would compensate not having a baby. for instance for people who wouldn't have a kid by the age of 25 (they set this to be the limit because apperantly people start to think moer rational after that age!?) they would pay a certain tax every month..is this something normal in other countries? and also, does someone have a spare baby to send me? |
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im not haivng a baby till im 30. no logical reason |
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Fuck man we got too many babies over here...I'll send you some. |
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no, that's an awful, awful idea. :P what's wrong with the population dropping? everywhere else it seems like the population is escalating exponentially? can't china send over some kids? |
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I figured overpopluation problems were global. Interesting that this is happening in your country. I wish we had this problem.. |
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what will the government do with all the babies once they receive them? |
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Make them into loafers. |
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well, i think they got a bit concerned now that our population dropped under 2 million..who will provide for our pensions and such? there were questions whether it would be ok to adopt african or chinese children and they said yes, as long as they would get an slovenian citizenship and be raised as good slovenians :) |
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and they don't understand that forcing the people who can least afford to raise children will create a terrible environment for the, perhaps unwanted, children and lower the quality of living for much of the population? |
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And how exactly did you come to the conclusion it is the poorest people who are deciding not to have children? Also a tax would probably still work out cheaper than the costs associated with raising a child. |
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i don't think they understand anything..much better way would be if the governament would offer support for people who do have babies and then perhaps more people would decide to have them.. |
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i don't think he meant strickly financially..most of them can't afford a kid because of their careers..it's the same thing though, an unvanted baby is bad in either way. |
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That probably costs money the government can't afford. |
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strictly* jav |
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i didn't imply that only poor people would not want the children. i'm saying the wealthy are the ones who can choose comfortably. i guess that since we don't understand the finer workings of the slovenian economic climate and we don't know how the proposed tax will work, neither of us can correctly figure out which will be cheaper - raising a child or paying the tax. either way, it's a disasterous social policy. |
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well, but eventually they could gain from that, if that would really work out and help the people to decide for kids..i don't really know :) |
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i agree, but the obvious difference is between the government spending money or the government making money. |
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nobody understands our economic climate, not even the ones who are supposed to.. |
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Most Western populations are in decline, but taxing those that don't breed is ridicluous. Just let some immigrants in. That's what we did in the UK, through out history infact, whenever there was a shortage of folk to do the dirty work. If we hadn't we'd have been fucked. Easy solution. |
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yes, that would seem like an easy solution, but since there's only 2 million of us left (and even out of those there's plenty of people who are not originally slovenian) they're affraid the nation could extinct soon..i think. |
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I see your point, but i think it depends how you define a nation, The land will still be there and unless something happens the state of Slovakia will still define the borders.. It also depends what you mean by originally Slovenian. I don't know the specifics of Slovakia well enough, but hat sounds ominously nationalistic to me, like 'originally English'. No one is 'originally English. Migration and the subsequent mixing of cultures is contantly happening, always has, i think that makes the concept of being English, Slovakian or anything else redundant other than where you were born.. or maybe just what culture(s) you feel you belong to.. I guess that last example is maybe what they think wil die out, the Slovakian culture. But if people live there and the culture is good, it will survive. If not, then it will die out. |
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I don't ever want kids |
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here, have an "en". |
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you see, people already dont know us..slovenia and slovakia are two different countries :) i think their biggest concern is the cultural one, yes..we have quite big cultural inheritance and even the language could extinct and i think that's what worries us the most..i don't have a problem with any other nations, but to stay without an identity sounds real scary even to me.. |
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Sorry, my slackness, I meant to refer to Slovenia throughout, I'm aware of the difference.. What scares you about it? I understand the commonly held wisdom is that a commonly held culture is neccessary to sustain a society, that's true i think, but i also think that how much people need to have in common to coexist is often greatly exaggerated.. I suppose it depends who you think would replace the dwindelling Slovenians, what values they would hold, and how that would change things.. |
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Having babies puts an additional burden on the infrastructure of the society through use of govt. services and resources. if anything you should pay less taxes for not having kids! It sounds like the worry here is based on an outdated measure of culture that is determined by race... certainly race has influenced culture as a result of shared genetic inheritance, but in reality it survives through tradition and not through genetic "purity" (which to me sounds like shades of the old Aryan race argument...) |
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taxing for no babies is the most ass-backwards thing I've heard of in a long time. |
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one second they're freaking out about overpopulation problems, the next they're saying we're not reproducing enough. make up your mind. jesus christ like people not having as many kids as they were is a big problem. |
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well, we have quite a specific problem with this i think, mainly because we're a very small nation..slovenian language is quite difficult for foreigners for some reason and i suppose it would become endangered sooner or later..what will we have without variety/diversity? why do we try so hard to keep endangered plants and animals from extinction? pretty much same thing imo. "but i also think that how much people need to have in common to coexist is often greatly exaggerated" could you exaplain this a bit further please? can't quite gather what you mean from this.. |
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