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x0hx
from Lysdexia (United States) on 2005-03-02 02:53 [#01518312]
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~$300, first run of 100 units Exact same electronic guts only adds MIDI + USB target=blank>Elektro Luv <3
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2005-03-02 03:23 [#01518347]
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Our Java software will control the x0xb0x, or let you save/edit stored patterns and tracks in the onboard memory."
Java? Yuck!
Still nice idea. I'd rather they pre-fabcricated it though,
I'm a bit on an electrical numpty and don't fancy knackering
£200 worth of components/no guarantee it'll work at the end
of it.
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2005-03-02 03:34 [#01518353]
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I just blind tested myself with the samples and got it 90%+ right which was which (I did two passes through the list and only go one wrong- I thought one of the real ones wasn't a real 303 as it sounded a bit too clean/digital).
Audiorealism Bassline VST is still the best emulation IMO. Still, this is probably the best hardware emulation I've heard...
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x0hx
from Lysdexia (United States) on 2005-03-02 04:35 [#01518414]
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Emulator? Interesting... I mean, they use the same parts So really, it's an "upgrade", no? I'd rather have the hardware Something about mounds of electronic synthii lying round the pad that gets a user high
nahmean, g?
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x0hx
from Lysdexia (United States) on 2005-03-02 04:36 [#01518415]
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Ewwww and the "Only for XP/2000/OS X" thing is a major turnoff
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2005-03-02 04:45 [#01518425]
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"Something about mounds of electronic synthii lying round the
pad that gets a user high nahmean, g?"
Yeah, there's a certain class in having to move a spare mixer in order to get to your wardrobe :D
Dunno if it'd affect the 303, but I've heard the reason for chips/components not sounding like "classic" ones is due to them having not been "burnt in" from prolonged use. Original 303s are 20ish years old, so I imagine the components would have "aged", so new ones might be slightly different? As I say, I'm no electronics guru, but I'd read that explanation before and it seems to make sense. Comments, Dave_G?
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x0hx
from Lysdexia (United States) on 2005-03-02 04:49 [#01518432]
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"Certain class..." OMG LMFAO Oh I needed that!! Great picture in my head, btw Add tonnes of beercans, and we've got it made
Yeah the burn-in factor def. comes into play What was that other 303 mod... the hammerhead...?
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x0hx
from Lysdexia (United States) on 2005-03-02 04:50 [#01518434]
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Oh, what's wrong w/ Java?? Too slow?
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2005-03-02 05:01 [#01518449]
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It's, "A solution to a problem that never existed." ;-)
Seriously though, it's v. slow, buggy, gash for graphics. It's seldom really needed/the best solution, but people use it because:
a) It's cheaper to write things like mobile phone O/S in java, rather than do it properly and write sections of it in machine code, etc.
b) It cuts dev. costs for cross platform programs. Oracle use java for their installers, etc. just to save paying to have seperate installers written for windows/linux. This is inspite of the fact it refreshes about as fast as a image-heavy website, accessed over dialup, even on a quad processor server :)
* I also hate it because I had to write programs in it using posiden (a java compiler, written in java) - can you imagine how slow/buggy that was?!
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giginger
from Milky Beans (United Kingdom) on 2005-03-02 06:41 [#01518540]
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this looks cool!
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dave_g
from United Kingdom on 2005-03-08 02:02 [#01525381]
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Hmm, comments will follow as soon as I digest it. Shame no circuit diagrams to follow. Just use ReBirth ;)
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dave_g
from United Kingdom on 2005-03-08 04:10 [#01525418]
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Hmmm, looks like it almost certainly doesn't use the same components. Let's not get started on batches. The original batches are decades old.
The circuitry will sound different, because tolerances and slight differences will add up, but overall the differences should be minimal.
Ironically, its the mistakes of the 303 that are the hardest parts to emulate/replicate. Non linearities are what make it an interesting little beast.
Think for example if the 303 was a great little genrator of square and sawtooths, they could be made accurately again and again forever.
But if you've ever looked at the 'square' and saw outputs on a scope or cooledit or something, they are nothing like the 'textbook' waveforms.
Anyway.... I can't get access to sounds at the moment but I image its a 303 esque sound. Look at it this way, do you want to make 303 squelch acid clone mix no. 1000340342 or something a bit more original? No one wants to hear the same thing again and again do they? If they did, everyone would have bought a hammond and shunned synths to this day.
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