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Globalization ? Why is it bad ?
 

offline Monoid from one source all things depend on 2005-02-14 08:18 [#01498075]
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Globalization is the perfect Interface between communism
and capitalsim. In the end, everyone benefits from it


 

offline epohs from )C: on 2005-02-14 08:22 [#01498080]
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I think I like globalization. Fuck clinging to tradition
and cultural dogma. Bend or break.

Of course, in practice it's ugly, and people get exploited
pretty badly.


 

online big from lsg on 2005-02-14 08:23 [#01498081]
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discuss


 

offline epohs from )C: on 2005-02-14 08:23 [#01498082]
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I think I like globalization in theory.


 

offline Monoid from one source all things depend on 2005-02-14 08:28 [#01498087]
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Right on. Tradition is bullshit. Ive read B.F. SKINNERS -
WALDEN TWO - Thats how it should be done


 

offline Matvey from Kiev (Ukraine) on 2005-02-14 08:45 [#01498106]
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there is a term "alter-globalization". you take good
features of globalization, throw away bad things out of it
and have alter-globalization as a result. Alter-globalists
think Internet is a global thing but is good, so it must
live, while using cheap working force in sucking conditions
in the Third World is bad and must die.


 

offline manicminer from Paris (France) on 2005-02-14 09:00 [#01498124]
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Environmental reasons.

Why waste energy (and produce greenhouse gases) transporting
tomatoes to Britain from South Africa when we can grow them
ourselves in greenhouses? The reason is because it's cheaper
to import them, and that stinks.

Why import bananas from Africa? Do we even need to eat
bananas? Do we fuck. And we won't be able to import them
when the Africans are dying because of the effects of global
warming.


 

offline thethirdball from Polly Pisspot (Canada) on 2005-02-14 09:28 [#01498170]
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The theory behind globalization is that those countries that
can produce certain goods most efficiently should produce
them. Then countries should trade goods with each other.
Theoretically, this should produce the most efficient use of
resources provided that trading costs are factored in to the
equation.

This framework goes awry for one of the following reasons:

Point 1:
Less developed countries lack the legal structure to support
what we in the west would consider ethical commerce. There
are problems with abusive labour practices, illegal use of
intellectual property and abuses of the environment.

The counterargument to this argument is that, with time, as
these countries become more developed, they will begin to
adopt practices more inline with our view of ethical
commerce. Furthermore, corporations in developed countries
are increasingly under pressure to outsource with ethical
corporations overseas. Finally, it can be argued that our
standards of living cannot be directly applied to a
developing country. Although making $1 an hour seems paltry
to us, it may be a big increase in salary allowing a mother
to feed her new family.

Point 2:
Globalization is causing an outsourcing of jobs to emerging
economies. It started with jobs in the manufacturing sector
but has shifted to the service sector. Valuable jobs are
being shipped overseas which will result in higher
unemployment and a lower standard of living for those in
developed countries.

Counterpoint:
As globalizations shifts resources in an economy, there will
be changes. Groups who historically held power will fight
by asking their governments to put controls on the
goods/services that are being imported from other countries.
These may take the form of tarrifs or quotas. This shifts
the cost from this one sector to the economy as a whole as
all consumers pay more for this particular item or service.
So all of us pay. This may make sense for a strategic good
such as food but whether it applies to all goods is
contentious.


 

offline thethirdball from Polly Pisspot (Canada) on 2005-02-14 09:29 [#01498173]
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Finally, if one were to look at the US umemployment rate, it
doesn't suggest that we are in an employment crisis.


 

offline thethirdball from Polly Pisspot (Canada) on 2005-02-14 09:31 [#01498179]
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Of course, my comment above is incomplete when discussing
all the issues involved in globalization. I don't have time
to write a whole essay on it right now. :)



 

offline 010101 from Vancouver (Canada) on 2005-02-14 09:56 [#01498233]
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The flip side of this, is that, if globalisation did not
exist things would be more expensive and the inflation rate
would go through the roof. Like 1920s Germany and we all
know what happened as a result of that......


 

offline mrgypsum on 2005-02-14 10:01 [#01498244]
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its valentines day dude, cant you come up with some love
topics, who wants to talk about this wankery today, except
for thethirdball, he made some good points.


 

offline DeLtoiD from Ontario on 2005-02-14 10:23 [#01498303]
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It's cheaper to fly to India and get an operation done than
to pay for it in the U.S.


 

offline mrgypsum on 2005-02-14 10:25 [#01498308]
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but it is smarter? wouldnt you rather pay more for the
devils you know, then get a bargain for the devils you dont?


 

offline chaosmachine from Ottawa (Canada) on 2005-02-14 10:32 [#01498333]
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good or bad, it's not going away.


 

offline DeLtoiD from Ontario on 2005-02-14 10:42 [#01498366]
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maybe they have an even higher standard for medical
practice, maybe they don't... does cost = quality?

i/m not sure, but if money matters most to people (which it
usually does) go frugal


 

offline FlyAgaric from the discovery (Africa) on 2005-02-14 10:46 [#01498372]
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you should try our apples.


 


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