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Monoid
from one source all things depend on 2005-02-14 08:18 [#01498075]
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Globalization is the perfect Interface between communism and capitalsim. In the end, everyone benefits from it
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epohs
from )C: on 2005-02-14 08:22 [#01498080]
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I think I like globalization. Fuck clinging to tradition and cultural dogma. Bend or break.
Of course, in practice it's ugly, and people get exploited pretty badly.
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big
from lsg on 2005-02-14 08:23 [#01498081]
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discuss
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epohs
from )C: on 2005-02-14 08:23 [#01498082]
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I think I like globalization in theory.
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Monoid
from one source all things depend on 2005-02-14 08:28 [#01498087]
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Right on. Tradition is bullshit. Ive read B.F. SKINNERS - WALDEN TWO - Thats how it should be done
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Matvey
from Kiev (Ukraine) on 2005-02-14 08:45 [#01498106]
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there is a term "alter-globalization". you take good features of globalization, throw away bad things out of it and have alter-globalization as a result. Alter-globalists think Internet is a global thing but is good, so it must live, while using cheap working force in sucking conditions in the Third World is bad and must die.
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manicminer
from Paris (France) on 2005-02-14 09:00 [#01498124]
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Environmental reasons.
Why waste energy (and produce greenhouse gases) transporting tomatoes to Britain from South Africa when we can grow them ourselves in greenhouses? The reason is because it's cheaper to import them, and that stinks.
Why import bananas from Africa? Do we even need to eat bananas? Do we fuck. And we won't be able to import them when the Africans are dying because of the effects of global warming.
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thethirdball
from Polly Pisspot (Canada) on 2005-02-14 09:28 [#01498170]
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The theory behind globalization is that those countries that can produce certain goods most efficiently should produce them. Then countries should trade goods with each other. Theoretically, this should produce the most efficient use of resources provided that trading costs are factored in to the equation.
This framework goes awry for one of the following reasons:
Point 1: Less developed countries lack the legal structure to support what we in the west would consider ethical commerce. There are problems with abusive labour practices, illegal use of intellectual property and abuses of the environment.
The counterargument to this argument is that, with time, as these countries become more developed, they will begin to adopt practices more inline with our view of ethical commerce. Furthermore, corporations in developed countries are increasingly under pressure to outsource with ethical corporations overseas. Finally, it can be argued that our standards of living cannot be directly applied to a developing country. Although making $1 an hour seems paltry to us, it may be a big increase in salary allowing a mother to feed her new family.
Point 2: Globalization is causing an outsourcing of jobs to emerging economies. It started with jobs in the manufacturing sector but has shifted to the service sector. Valuable jobs are being shipped overseas which will result in higher unemployment and a lower standard of living for those in developed countries.
Counterpoint: As globalizations shifts resources in an economy, there will be changes. Groups who historically held power will fight by asking their governments to put controls on the goods/services that are being imported from other countries. These may take the form of tarrifs or quotas. This shifts the cost from this one sector to the economy as a whole as all consumers pay more for this particular item or service. So all of us pay. This may make sense for a strategic good such as food but whether it applies to all goods is contentious.
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thethirdball
from Polly Pisspot (Canada) on 2005-02-14 09:29 [#01498173]
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Finally, if one were to look at the US umemployment rate, it doesn't suggest that we are in an employment crisis.
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thethirdball
from Polly Pisspot (Canada) on 2005-02-14 09:31 [#01498179]
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Of course, my comment above is incomplete when discussing all the issues involved in globalization. I don't have time to write a whole essay on it right now. :)
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010101
from Vancouver (Canada) on 2005-02-14 09:56 [#01498233]
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The flip side of this, is that, if globalisation did not exist things would be more expensive and the inflation rate would go through the roof. Like 1920s Germany and we all know what happened as a result of that......
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mrgypsum
on 2005-02-14 10:01 [#01498244]
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its valentines day dude, cant you come up with some love topics, who wants to talk about this wankery today, except for thethirdball, he made some good points.
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DeLtoiD
from Ontario on 2005-02-14 10:23 [#01498303]
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It's cheaper to fly to India and get an operation done than to pay for it in the U.S.
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mrgypsum
on 2005-02-14 10:25 [#01498308]
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but it is smarter? wouldnt you rather pay more for the devils you know, then get a bargain for the devils you dont?
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chaosmachine
from Ottawa (Canada) on 2005-02-14 10:32 [#01498333]
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good or bad, it's not going away.
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DeLtoiD
from Ontario on 2005-02-14 10:42 [#01498366]
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maybe they have an even higher standard for medical practice, maybe they don't... does cost = quality?
i/m not sure, but if money matters most to people (which it usually does) go frugal
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FlyAgaric
from the discovery (Africa) on 2005-02-14 10:46 [#01498372]
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you should try our apples.
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