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We’re really cranked up and in a totally different gear at the moment’. Sean Booth discloses, in reference to the new album. ‘It feels like we’re working in a quite radically different way now; not so much in terms of the final output - I’ll let others judge that - but we’re getting ideas down a lot quicker now, trying to make the most of what time we’ve got’. This sounds to me like a Ultravisitor version of Ae.. hopefully the mastering doesn't suck. |
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An ultravisitor version of Ae? I don't get the reference. I think they are talking in respect to the tools used. They seem to have stopped using kyma, and opted for a more hardware base. Or maybe the opposite. We could prolly expect to hear an album that aims towards interesting developements and less about the sounds they design. I would love to hear an album by ae that has progressions that make more sense. As much as I love their music, I am kinda getting tired of beautifull songs that break into noise at the 2:37 point. |
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I'm worried that they're "getting ideas down a lot quicker" now. And why do they have to make the most out of what time they have? It's been 2 years since Draft. Sorry, I'm just worried it'll have that vague "half-finished" feel that can occasionally feature in their music-where they appear to be fucking about with sounds and not really spending much time on thinking about where things are going or how things all fit together. |
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they may be getting ideas down quicker now but that doesn't mean they are spending less time making songs. |
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I think it could be a good thing. Sometimes if you mull over too long, you get rigor mortis. Also ideas quicker could easily mean a higher density of ideas! And most importantly.. if there IS a change.. less boredom for the listener--something to explore, whether or not its quality! great! |
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BTW I feel that a track like piezo has 100x more ideas than.. well let's say dael for instance. I won't say rae or anything from lp5 because that's the most idea-sparse album ever. |
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seems like no one ever wants to argue with me over certain AE releases; they just think 'troll' and don't respond. I really think they had a shaky period starting after amber and lasting until confield durin which they tried to reset their sound somewhat and couldn't really get it locked in. I don't think it's the smooth transition from incunabula (stop saying it's bad!) to draft everyone claims it is. |
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hahaha, nice respectable man with a suit and tie... still not going to argue with you!!! |
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Intriguing disclosure, but I'm not jumping to any conclusions regarding the "Untilted" album until after I've purchased it and listened to it the entire way through. |
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the picture is some elitist schmuck I'm making fun of. well at least AGREE with something; we have something potentially interesting to look forward to. |
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everything will be fine. |
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jesus you fucking pushovers; no one wants to argue, they just want to state their opinions and get accolades. I spit on you all. |
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lets wait and see |
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heh... i would argue with you if u ever actually said anything worth arguing over. |
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point proven. you just want to make imperious, elitist statements. and as if someone else is saying something provocative. |
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Heh... its funny. You seem to be chalking yourself up for troll with the intent of being a troll, but most of your trolling is of the lowest quality. Bet better at being a troll, or get bent. Its as simple as that. |
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Are you retarded? Read your post carefully and realize that you are saying nothing. |
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Slick. |
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Furthermore you realize of course how lame it is to say 'that argument isnt worth going into', correct? If it was really broken, it would be _easy_ to compose a refutation. Your reticence proves your stupidity. |
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I think taxidermist is saying a lot I also think you did say something interesting in those posts... I dont agree with you about: _________________________________________________ "I really think they had a shaky period starting after amber and lasting until confield durin which they tried to reset their sound somewhat and couldn't really get it locked in. I don't think it's the smooth transition from incunabula (stop saying it's bad!) to draft everyone claims it is. " __________________________________________________ I think the sequence: amber-garbage-anvil vapre-envane- chiastic slide-lp5-confield is pretty logical tri repetae is an extrange release for me, but it also fits there |
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sure it's logical, they fit a progression, but it's a weak set for me. The tracks sound ridiculously simplistic to my ears; small loops, little differentiation, etc. and lp5 I really can't understand the appreciation of. half the tracks have about two things going on, and those two don't blend. |
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I just checked my post to be sure; I didn't say the progression wasn't logical (it was too logical! boring!); I said it wasn't smooth. What I mean by that is, well, there were some dips in quality. |
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well... I disagree with that... why? remember music is a matter of taste, so talking about low quality is like saying you dont like it I disagree cos some of those releases are my favs: amber: great album garbage: perfect ep anvil vapre: love it amber: love it even more chiastic slide: love love love it lp5 one of my favs so... the progression seems logical to me, and also I love them all... its normal I disagree with you how can we discuss if this is just a matter of taste? lets reorient the discussion: why do you find them weak?: ________________________________________________ "The tracks sound ridiculously simplistic to my ears;" _________________________________________________ well, simplicity is something one can like or dislike, but doesnt imply lack of quality. and apart, I dont find it simple at all. I wouldnt say autechre is minimal at all _________________________________________________ ""small loops, little differentiation" _________________________________________________ here I cant argue, I dont make music, and I cant read music but I do think tracks are very different from eachother, above all from one release to another and even in same release: are tracks 1 and 4 from garbage any similar? and still thjey work perfect in same ep are tracks 1 and 3 or 10 similar in lp5? _________________________________________________ "and lp5 I really can't understand the appreciation of. half the tracks have about two things going on, and those two don't blend" __________________________________________________ for me this album is gold, I would be parcial discussing about it |
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this thread is ridiculous |
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Well of course our personality is what in the end causes us to like/dislike something, but a discussion can and needs to be founded upon provable fact; it irks me a great deal when people get into opinion pissing contests and can't justify anything. I'm not saying that the tracks from those discs are all similar sounding; for instance maphive depends on a drum sample I don't think they use anywhere else. I mean similar structrure. and simplicity can be great (flim..), but that's why I said something about not blending--if your shit is very minimal, then those components need to have a beautiful interrelation. autechre loops far too much, I feel. If I listen to something in draft, for instance, I see the pattern, and then it continues forever. Now that isn't bad--for instance flim, which I mentioned above, is one pattern for the entire time--but if that pattern isn't inherently incredible (and often theirs can be just some cute rhythmic play or whatever), then the shit falls apart. |
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thanks for your insightful comment. I love the internet (meaning you) |
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Well of course our personality is what in the end causes us to like/dislike something, but a discussion can and needs to be founded upon provable fact; why? it irks me a great deal when people get into opinion pissing contests and can't justify anything. why? I'm not saying that the tracks from those discs are all similar sounding; for instance maphive depends on a drum sample I don't think they use anywhere else. I mean similar structrure. what are you on about? and simplicity can be great (flim..), but that's why I said something about not blending--if your shit is very minimal, then those components need to have a beautiful interrelation. why? autechre loops far too much, I feel. If I listen to something in draft, for instance, I see the pattern, and then it continues forever. Now that isn't bad--for instance flim, which I mentioned above, is one pattern for the entire time--but if that pattern isn't inherently incredible (and often theirs can be just some cute rhythmic play or whatever), then the shit falls apart. oh. can you give me an example of something that is inherently incredible? |
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iyo what must I say if I know nothing about music, but I know I love those albums and tracks? |
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debate is a dialectic process. if the synthesis is to have any value, it needs to be founded on things which, well, can actually support something! hence facts. I can tell you that something took more skill to create than another thing, and furthermore APPRECIATE the lesser skilled object more, and not have that influence my discourse. as far as the simple structure. I mean shit dude just listen to acroyear or rae. well flim was my example of something simple which works; there are other ones, like BoC's forest moon.. nannou maybe? |
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you don't need to 'understand music'; there's no magical trick to that. Just like any other domain, it depends on mental analytical capacity and experience. You're a good dude, so I bet you could go into depth regarding things you appreciate in those tracks, and its possible I couldn't refute many of them. I'm just saying, I hate things like 'autechre is just better. you dont understand', 'youre not worth arguing with', etc. |
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i don't see what skill has to do with good music. by that logic all bands must always improve over time, since their experience and skill would always improve. (it doesnt get any harder) |
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I very carefully separated a talk from ability and a discussion of how much I like the music. Skill is something you can actually analyze and discuss. If we just keep shouting 'I LOVE XYZ! PQR SUCKS', we're just a bunch of morons playing bumper cars. |
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you did say "furthermore APPRECIATE the lesser skilled object more," |
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and that's precisely my point; I can argue that something is more skilled and simultaneously like MORE the object which I am superficially denigrated. |
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sorry i don't understamd the last 2 words what do you mean? |
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sorry; I mean I can like something more and argue against it. For instance if we got in a 'most skilled track' argument', I would NEVER say rhubarb, though sometimes I put it on and am in bliss. |
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what if the artists intention was to make you feel bliss on only those days? would they be skilled then? |
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Yes, and in an argument about the track you could tell me that I'm an idiot, the purpose of the track was bliss, etc etc =) |
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i have to ask you; how do you know what any artists intention is? |
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well look that argument can be applied recursively and you can say you really never know anything. Everything is based on inference. For instance you may find a blissful, simple track in the middle of a bunch of busy tracks, and argue it was placed there for relax or something; if it was a whole CD of peaceful stuff it'd be much harder to argue there was a really brilliant point in the style of that track specifically, etc balllalhhhhh |
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all the analysis you are making is shadowned by the most important thing, your taste, you dont like it, thats what makes you dont like the structure, loops or whatever. I dont say you dont understand it, its simple, I like iut and you dont I mean, not everybody like the same music |
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But my taste is exactly that--mine! If I'm going to be talking to someone OTHER than myself, I need to base language on something understood by us both. Furthermore I'm one of those people that never wants to have an unjustified opinion. LIKE BREASTS. I LIKE THEM BECAUSE I LIKE THEM. |
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before you said: "you don't need to 'understand music'" "Just like any other domain, it depends on mental analytical capacity and experience. I bet you could go into depth regarding things you appreciate in those tracks" well... I didnt say I dont understand music, I said I know nothing about music... I have never studied music. but I do like music how would I make a proper musical analisys if I never studied music? you can say that you like a building, but if you start to analize it, you will probably say stupid things about it, cos you are not an architect... I am an architect and I would think: what a smart ass, trying to analize when he has no idea... well, the same here why I like thos tracks? I can tell you, but dont expect a technical precise analisis, dont expect facts from me, cos I wont step ina filed I dont know I hate it when people try to explain me fact about architecture when they dont know shit, but I respect when people tell me: I like that building cos its beautiful |
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Personality generally doesn't lead people to like or dislike anything. Personality is how you project yourself towards other people. I really don't see the need to quantify how you may see or feel about something. Sure, when you get down to it, it can be broken down into chemicals mixing and synapses firing and what have you, but understanding that won't get you anywhere yet, because humans have only yet begun to be able to study things in that minute of detail. Have you guys ever read zen and the art of motorcycle maintenance? A lot of that book was bullshit, but it certainly had a few interesting things to say about 'quality'. Anyways, really, ae manage to consistenly release interesting albums. I have a feeling a lot of what sounds rough is intentional, as everything else in their compositions are intricate and detailed. I doubt they would really cut corners anywhere unless they felt it was necessary. They have endless time (being one of warps foremost artists, they most likely have the option to take as long as they need between releases), and warps mastering artists at their disposal, so I doubt its laziness or bordom or complacency that gives the unpolished sound in their music that unpolished sound. Anyways, I only read the first few posts after my last, so don't jump on me about being on topic. I am going to go get laid now. Have a good night. |
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Understanding how things fit together is awesome because it gives keys to creation. annnnnd I think the word 'interesting' should be used with great care. I'm going to get showered and get to school, good day to you all |
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I actually agree with sneakattack. I've been cussed down before for stating reasons why I don't like music. If it was just about "feeling it", then there would be no basis for discussion at all. Autechre do often get lazy, and LP5 is a great example of that. |
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....apart from the first track, which is immensely complex and catchy; the way it morphs is really subtle but also keeps your interest through the entire thing. |
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when u say complex what do you mean exactly? are you referring to the amount of discrete events you can identify when listening? or do you mean some other kind of complexity. i'm not goading you i'm just curious. |
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I reckon it's the insane zipping beats and the way they morph and develope throughout the track that makes me think of it as complex. While they are chaotic, they also sound very structured and they make sense, if you get me. |
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yeah acroyear isn't complex at all. Eeeeeeeemmmmm |
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