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Monoid
from one source all things depend on 2005-01-28 03:01 [#01478624]
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Rationality as Practical Reason ? Whats the diffrence between the nature of things and the Self Reflecting mind ? Where does the IDEA of a HIGHER BEING come from ? But what would be it's purpose ? And what if the "higher being" is just nature
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Taxidermist
from Black Grass on 2005-01-28 03:04 [#01478630]
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I think the need to figure out these questions comes from the same place on ones soul and mind as the need to question these questions. I don't know for certain any answers to those questions, but I do know that the same need to understand a creator, brought about the same need to understand nature, and brought about science, and many other tanganble and rational understandings of where and who we are.
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Monoid
from one source all things depend on 2005-01-28 03:10 [#01478634]
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What brings us closer to the "creator" ? Religion or science or art ?
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Taxidermist
from Black Grass on 2005-01-28 03:17 [#01478638]
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I don't know. What feels right to you? For me its love and art.
Science certainly helps in the field of art though. The word technology, can be traced back to either greek or latin (I don't remember which) for 'the study of arts and crafts'.
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Monoid
from one source all things depend on 2005-01-28 03:24 [#01478641]
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Yeah but science is a human invention, especially Mathes. The only numbers that exist in the physical universe are the natural counting numbers (1, 2, 3, 4, . . . )
All other types of numbers are invented in the mind of man. (negative numbers, zero, fractions, complex numbers)
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Monoid
from one source all things depend on 2005-01-28 03:27 [#01478642]
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And, in this case, the "Source All Things Depend" is the human mind
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Taxidermist
from Black Grass on 2005-01-28 03:30 [#01478645]
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Yeah. Its all in perception. We use math to help us decode and quantify our environment. Without it, I think we would be much further away from understanding it.
Its hard to percieve where it all started, or how. Generally, human beings find it difficult to truly realize what happens before or after the period they are able to percieve and understand things (the timeframe before and after birth and death respectively). I think that is where the idea of life after death, and previous lives may come from. Its not a fear, but a physical impossibility of understanding blind spots.
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Taxidermist
from Black Grass on 2005-01-28 03:30 [#01478646]
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sorry, not so much understanding, as realizing
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bryce_berny
from chronno (Canada) on 2005-01-28 04:33 [#01478679]
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figure out so much understanding, and quantify our environment.
in this case, only numbers that exist in the physical universe can be traced back to either greek or latin (I don't remember which) What brings us closer to science is a human invention is
just nature
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2005-01-28 05:25 [#01478700]
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Monoid should read pyrrhon and take up his teachings.
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Bill Burroughs
from Colombia on 2005-01-28 07:01 [#01478763]
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"Yeah. Its all in perception. We use math to help us decode
and quantify our environment. Without it, I think we would be much further away from understanding it.
Its hard to percieve where it all started, or how. Generally, human beings find it difficult to truly realize what happens before or after the period they are able to percieve and understand things (the timeframe before and after birth and death respectively). I think that is where the idea of life after death, and previous lives may come from. Its not a fear, but a physical impossibility of understanding blind spots. " this is one of the most interesting, thoughtful posts ever to appear on this otherwise mostly puerile forum. if you imagine that, perhaps, the human race IS the most advanced thinking creature in the whole universe to date, and that this (us) is, at least up til now, the pinnacle of intelligence, then you, the person reading this, are the only God and the ultimate intelligence capable of measuring the universe, yes you yourself.
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Monoid
from one source all things depend on 2005-01-28 07:05 [#01478767]
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God or the Ãœbermensch ? Whats the diffrence
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Bill Burroughs
from Colombia on 2005-01-28 07:19 [#01478783]
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there would be no difference, you would be the universe's conscious awareness of itself.
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dog_belch
from Netherlands, The on 2005-01-28 07:21 [#01478788]
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I always thought that, that as you say we wonder if the universe is conscious, and yet we are conscious and a product of the universe, so ... well as you said. Oh my god I'm in a monoid thread.
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Bill Burroughs
from Colombia on 2005-01-28 07:23 [#01478789]
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even supposing i was to believe in a God, i could never bring myself to believe that Monoid started this thread.
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Monoid
from one source all things depend on 2005-01-28 07:52 [#01478844]
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What is outside of the universe's conscious ? The ÃœberGod ?
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Bill Burroughs
from Colombia on 2005-01-28 07:54 [#01478848]
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The Monoid.
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Monoid
from one source all things depend on 2005-01-28 08:04 [#01478871]
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Philosophy is a "hard subject"
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mrgypsum
on 2005-01-28 09:15 [#01479030]
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as bill says "Its not a fear, but a physical impossibility of
understanding blind spots. "
there really is nothing outside of universe's conscious - anything defined outside of all conscious is by definition undefined - if you look at it in a mathematical sense.
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Taxidermist
from Black Grass on 2005-01-28 14:12 [#01479495]
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I donno. I think its actually pretty easy. It kind of depends on how you configure your paradigms.
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2005-01-28 14:38 [#01479523]
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it all depends on how you look at it.. if you're discussing philosophy with yourself, it's easy. If you're discussing it with other people, everyone will have their own opinions, they won't allow you to configure the paradigms, they'll argue, you'll argue... and then it depends on what you think philosophy concerns. It could concern everything, which kind of is the official definition, and it could be only metaphysical, which is what people think of when they think of philosophy (even though it really should be called "metaphysical philosophy," or even more accurate, describing the subject this particualr branch is interested in, like "ethical philosophy," or "scientific philosophy").
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godataloss
from Cleveland (United States) on 2005-01-28 15:32 [#01479649]
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Wave/Particle Duality I find it fascinating
The extension of this experiment involves placing a wave or particle detector in front of one of the slits. If it is a wave detector the photon behaves as a wave and vice versa with a particle detector thereby proving the subjective nature of perception and the pointlessness of all discourse of mind or reality.
Just eat your drugs and shut the fuck up.
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Gwely Mernans
from 23rd century entertainment (Canada) on 2005-01-28 20:37 [#01480017]
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The collective metempsychotic unconscious, referring to the source's existantial thought (God.) Each genetic bloodline of pass lived thoughts structured into dna is different, from another source. Much like a sperm, battling its way for survival to win the race of exosmose to the egg. The fate of destruction is also the joy of rebirth. Basically what I'm saying is that we seek the first proof of thought (life) for answers. Although I doubt this first being has anything to share. Oh, and nevermind religion. Fuck that, it's for simple minded folks who beleive the time of ancient fabricated fairytales made to describe what science couldn't.
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tlink
from sofla (United States) on 2005-01-28 21:31 [#01480073]
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so this thread doesn't have anything to do with boc?
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