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offline Monoid from one source all things depend on 2005-01-28 03:01 [#01478624]
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Rationality as Practical Reason ? Whats the diffrence
between the nature of things and the Self Reflecting mind ?
Where does the IDEA of a HIGHER BEING come from ? But what
would be it's purpose ? And what if the "higher being" is
just nature



 

offline Taxidermist from Black Grass on 2005-01-28 03:04 [#01478630]
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I think the need to figure out these questions comes from
the same place on ones soul and mind as the need to question
these questions. I don't know for certain any answers to
those questions, but I do know that the same need to
understand a creator, brought about the same need to
understand nature, and brought about science, and many other
tanganble and rational understandings of where and who we
are.


 

offline Monoid from one source all things depend on 2005-01-28 03:10 [#01478634]
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What brings us closer to the "creator" ? Religion or science
or art ?


 

offline Taxidermist from Black Grass on 2005-01-28 03:17 [#01478638]
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I don't know. What feels right to you? For me its love and
art.

Science certainly helps in the field of art though. The word
technology, can be traced back to either greek or latin (I
don't remember which) for 'the study of arts and crafts'.


 

offline Monoid from one source all things depend on 2005-01-28 03:24 [#01478641]
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Yeah but science is a human invention, especially Mathes.
The only numbers that exist in the physical universe are the
natural counting numbers (1, 2, 3, 4, . . . )

All other types of numbers are invented in the mind of man.
(negative numbers, zero, fractions, complex numbers)



 

offline Monoid from one source all things depend on 2005-01-28 03:27 [#01478642]
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And, in this case, the "Source All Things Depend" is the
human mind


 

offline Taxidermist from Black Grass on 2005-01-28 03:30 [#01478645]
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Yeah. Its all in perception. We use math to help us decode
and quantify our environment. Without it, I think we would
be much further away from understanding it.

Its hard to percieve where it all started, or how.
Generally, human beings find it difficult to truly realize
what happens before or after the period they are able to
percieve and understand things (the timeframe before and
after birth and death respectively). I think that is where
the idea of life after death, and previous lives may come
from. Its not a fear, but a physical impossibility of
understanding blind spots.


 

offline Taxidermist from Black Grass on 2005-01-28 03:30 [#01478646]
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sorry, not so much understanding, as realizing


 

offline bryce_berny from chronno (Canada) on 2005-01-28 04:33 [#01478679]
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figure out so much understanding, and quantify our
environment.
in this case, only numbers that exist in the physical
universe can be traced back to either greek or latin (I
don't remember which) What brings us closer to science is a
human invention is
just nature


 

offline Drunken Mastah from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2005-01-28 05:25 [#01478700]
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Monoid should read pyrrhon and take up his teachings.


 

offline Bill Burroughs from Colombia on 2005-01-28 07:01 [#01478763]
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"Yeah. Its all in perception. We use math to help us decode

and quantify our environment. Without it, I think we would
be much further away from understanding it.

Its hard to percieve where it all started, or how.
Generally, human beings find it difficult to truly realize
what happens before or after the period they are able to
percieve and understand things (the timeframe before and
after birth and death respectively). I think that is where
the idea of life after death, and previous lives may come
from. Its not a fear, but a physical impossibility of
understanding blind spots. "


this is one of the most interesting, thoughtful posts ever
to appear on this otherwise mostly puerile forum. if you
imagine that, perhaps, the human race IS the most advanced
thinking creature in the whole universe to date, and that
this (us) is, at least up til now, the pinnacle of
intelligence, then you, the person reading this, are the
only God and the ultimate intelligence capable of measuring
the universe, yes you yourself.


 

offline Monoid from one source all things depend on 2005-01-28 07:05 [#01478767]
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God or the Ãœbermensch ? Whats the diffrence


 

offline Bill Burroughs from Colombia on 2005-01-28 07:19 [#01478783]
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there would be no difference, you would be the universe's
conscious awareness of itself.


 

offline dog_belch from Netherlands, The on 2005-01-28 07:21 [#01478788]
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I always thought that, that as you say we wonder if the
universe is conscious, and yet we are conscious and a
product of the universe, so ... well as you said. Oh my god
I'm in a monoid thread.


 

offline Bill Burroughs from Colombia on 2005-01-28 07:23 [#01478789]
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even supposing i was to believe in a God, i could never
bring myself to believe that Monoid started this thread.


 

offline Monoid from one source all things depend on 2005-01-28 07:52 [#01478844]
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What is outside of the universe's conscious ? The ÃœberGod ?


 

offline Bill Burroughs from Colombia on 2005-01-28 07:54 [#01478848]
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The Monoid.


 

offline Monoid from one source all things depend on 2005-01-28 08:04 [#01478871]
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Philosophy is a "hard subject"


 

offline mrgypsum on 2005-01-28 09:15 [#01479030]
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as bill says "Its not a fear, but a physical impossibility
of
understanding blind spots. "

there really is nothing outside of universe's conscious -
anything defined outside of all conscious is by definition
undefined - if you look at it in a mathematical sense.


 

offline Taxidermist from Black Grass on 2005-01-28 14:12 [#01479495]
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I donno. I think its actually pretty easy. It kind of
depends on how you configure your paradigms.


 

offline Drunken Mastah from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2005-01-28 14:38 [#01479523]
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it all depends on how you look at it.. if you're discussing
philosophy with yourself, it's easy. If you're discussing it
with other people, everyone will have their own opinions,
they won't allow you to configure the paradigms, they'll
argue, you'll argue... and then it depends on what you think
philosophy concerns. It could concern everything,
which kind of is the official definition, and it could be
only metaphysical, which is what people think of when they
think of philosophy (even though it really should be called
"metaphysical philosophy," or even more accurate, describing
the subject this particualr branch is interested in, like
"ethical philosophy," or "scientific philosophy").


 

offline godataloss from Cleveland (United States) on 2005-01-28 15:32 [#01479649]
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Wave/Particle Duality
I find it fascinating

The extension of this experiment involves placing a wave or
particle detector in front of one of the slits. If it is a
wave detector the photon behaves as a wave and vice versa
with a particle detector thereby proving the subjective
nature of perception and the pointlessness of all discourse
of mind or reality.

Just eat your drugs and shut the fuck up.


 

offline Gwely Mernans from 23rd century entertainment (Canada) on 2005-01-28 20:37 [#01480017]
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The collective metempsychotic unconscious, referring to the
source's existantial thought (God.) Each genetic bloodline
of pass lived thoughts structured into dna is different,
from another source. Much like a sperm, battling its way for
survival to win the race of exosmose to the egg. The fate of
destruction is also the joy of rebirth. Basically what I'm
saying is that we seek the first proof of thought (life) for
answers. Although I doubt this first being has anything to
share. Oh, and nevermind religion. Fuck that, it's for
simple minded folks who beleive the time of ancient
fabricated fairytales made to describe what science
couldn't.



 

offline tlink from sofla (United States) on 2005-01-28 21:31 [#01480073]
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so this thread doesn't have anything to do with boc?


 


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