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tnavelerri
on 2005-01-24 06:19 [#01473986]
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Why is the genre of music called acid? I know the synth with high resonance and tunes that are often in sixteenth notes is the heart and soul (or so is my understanding). But why is this sound given the name acid?
I dont see how it relates to lsd... so I'm assuming its something else entirely.
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2005-01-24 06:21 [#01473992]
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you ever tasted something acidy? then you'd know because the sound resembles the taste of acid perfectly imo.
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KADO
from The Belafonte (United Kingdom) on 2005-01-24 06:23 [#01473996]
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I believe the TB-303 was the main ingredient used in Acid house tracks when the largely drug fueled scene emerged in london and manchester during the late eighties.
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Dannn_
from United Kingdom on 2005-01-24 06:34 [#01474015]
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its just got a kind of synthetic, chemical, harshness about it
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uzim
on 2005-01-24 06:35 [#01474018]
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it's subjective but i don't agree...
to me "acid" would rather refer to some kind of electronic high-pitched sounds.
by the way, i never heard any "acid" track i found good so far...
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2005-01-24 06:36 [#01474020]
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"to me "acid" would rather refer to some kind of electronic
high-pitched sounds. "
kinda what makes acid acid imo :)
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Brisk
from selling smack at the orphanage on 2005-01-24 06:37 [#01474024]
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"In truth, acid house had already started long before the first 'Acid Trax' were commerically released. Amongst the scores of Chicagoans who were buying equipment and trying to learn how to make tracks was one DJ Pierre, who'd started out playing Italian imports at roller discos in the Chicago suburbs, and who had joined Lil Louis for his notorious parties.
"Phuture was me and two other guys, Spanky and Herbert J." remembers Pierre. "We had this Roland 303, which was a bassline machine, and we were trying to figure out how to use it. When we switched it on, that acid sound was already in it and we liked the sound of it so we decided to add some drums and make a track with it. We gave it to Ron Hardy who started playing it straight away. In fact, the first time he played it, he played it four times in one night! The first time people were like, 'what the fuck is this?' but by the the fourth they loved it. Then I started to hear that Ron was playing some new thing they were calling 'Ron Hardy's Acid Trax', and everybody thought it was something he'd made himself. Eventually we found out that it was our track so we called it 'Acid Trax'. I think we may have made it as early as 1985, but Ron was playing it for a long time before it came out."
- http://www.jahsonic.com/AcidHouse.html
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uzim
on 2005-01-24 06:39 [#01474026]
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ah... well : ) maybe i don't find it high-pitched because i listen to Sachiko M and the likes? or maybe i just heard non-representative tracks so far
anyway, i have my own idea of a sound that would "taste acid" but i can't describe it.
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bogala
from NYC (United States) on 2005-01-24 06:41 [#01474030]
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When you do acid you notice your body more. Your orifices. Your asshole. Your mouth. Farting. The farty mouthy asshole sound of the 303 is how you notice your body while on acid. Or, parties in detroit were fueled by lsd when this tb-303 music started to arise. Thus, acid. Those are my guesses.
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2005-01-24 06:42 [#01474031]
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i see, check out some ceephax acid crew for that sound..or some earlier aphex. you might find that sound - i'd recommend some tracks but im at work atm, and i don't know any song titles..
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bogala
from NYC (United States) on 2005-01-24 06:43 [#01474032]
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Of course Im crazy
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uzim
on 2005-01-24 06:49 [#01474041]
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i have some early Aphex (all downloaded from a friends' ftp years ago), i don't remember, maybe the sound i'm thinking of is in it...
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plaster
from splitska 10 on 2005-01-24 06:49 [#01474042]
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or hardfloor or pierre
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tnavelerri
on 2005-01-24 07:04 [#01474053]
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My god... I know what you mean about hearing your body when on acid. Its really really bizarre. Sometimes it really really scared me!
Acid does sound similar to those noises! haha... I never thought of that. Scientifically makes sense why acid can be a form of music... it makes noises that we can relate to due to metabolism. Or am I just thinking too much?
....Mmmm nachos. (holy guacamole).
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JAroen
from the pineal gland on 2005-01-24 07:06 [#01474054]
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(correct me if im wrong anyone) theres some rather crude things (resonance filter) inside the 303 that makes those gnarly sounds. if you hit the notes quick after eachother you get the trademark high pitched gliding sounds, like the music in this
to me it definately sounds high pitched.
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JivverDicker
from my house on 2005-01-24 07:08 [#01474055]
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I love that track!
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JAroen
from the pineal gland on 2005-01-24 07:09 [#01474056]
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haha yeah me too. found the ceephax 2cd thing this week, i love getting back into old forgotten stuff.
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JAroen
from the pineal gland on 2005-01-24 07:09 [#01474057]
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i mean i forgot about that release completely.
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bryce_berny
from chronno (Canada) on 2005-01-24 07:15 [#01474060]
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sounds good when you're on acid
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2005-01-24 07:19 [#01474065]
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The name "Acid" has nothing to do with drugs (as you say LSD isn't prevalent in acid-music). Originally, it came from "to burn" people. Namely, using uncleared samples. The term came to be associated with the 303 sound, despite it actually relating to samples. However, hardly anyone knows this and you see all manner of cock and bull theories, even in music publicaitons...
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tnavelerri
on 2005-01-24 07:21 [#01474069]
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Recommend me some ceephax.
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JAroen
from the pineal gland on 2005-01-24 07:25 [#01474076]
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exidy tours for more sophisticated drilly stuff,
'ceephax acid' 2cd for old style acid
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k9d
from mpls (United States) on 2005-01-24 14:30 [#01474814]
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ceri jc what do you say about that quote from
http://www.jahsonic.com/AcidHouse.html
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either way, the term seems to have more to do w/ burn than drugs, at least initially. genesis p.oridge was early on and you can't say HE wasn't into drugs :)
regardless of origins 303 IS acid sound, the GLIDE is key to authentic programing, but it's an analog machine so the hardware itself is special as well ...
tho some software like creakbox (free vst) and audiorealism bassline (expensive vst) have now come close to tricking people, especially those without ACID-TRAINED ears
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pomme de terre
from obscure body in the SK System on 2005-01-24 14:33 [#01474815]
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Acid = Techno with a 303 bassline.
End of story.
I can't believe some of the other stuff I am seeing. :s
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corticalstim
from Canada on 2005-01-24 14:38 [#01474826]
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so what makes yours official? how do you know it is the most correct and absolute?
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OK
on 2005-01-24 22:33 [#01475806]
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it's just the squeeky thing
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k9d
from mpls (United States) on 2005-01-24 22:46 [#01475822]
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never mind ACiD
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DeLtoiD
from Ontario on 2005-01-24 23:25 [#01475848]
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i remember that time when that guy did that thing on his computer.... that was good times.
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k9d
from mpls (United States) on 2005-01-24 23:48 [#01475856]
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that thing that made us talk to each other on the computer???
CREAKBOX ACID AKA 303 VST
now the question is what drum machine is more acid than any other???
and maybe for original acid u needed "Burner" samples, but all the acid HOUSE i hear has guys sort of sexy whispering things like "this is acid" on repeate with some other mumbling . . .
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bryce_berny
from chronno (Canada) on 2005-01-25 01:47 [#01475894]
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prepare for an onslaught of analord inspired tracks
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2005-01-25 02:23 [#01475902]
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I believe it's from How To DJ: Properly by Broughton & Brewster (I'll check tonight though, there was something else I wanted to look up in it). I think the definitive guide to DJing, written by 2 hugely experienced club DJs, who were there when acid house took off and whose knowledge about absolutely everything DJ/club related is almost 100% spot on (read the book), makes it more "official" in my eyes than any other description I've heard.
I don't contest that it now means the 303 sound Kado describes. My point relates to the origins of the term.
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iLoveIDM
from London (United Kingdom) on 2005-01-25 02:59 [#01475915]
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acieeed! i was in manchester from 86-91, we called it techno, then mushroom, then rave acid then acid house then just plain Acid - because of the d-rugs . I heard the first acid in the hacienda in late 86 that's 19 years ago to you youngsters - *creak creak
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iLoveIDM
from London (United Kingdom) on 2005-01-25 03:00 [#01475916]
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actually - 87
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2005-01-25 03:10 [#01475919]
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You were in the Hacienda when you were 14?!
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2005-01-25 03:11 [#01475920]
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Okay, 15 :)
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iLoveIDM
from London (United Kingdom) on 2005-01-25 03:15 [#01475924]
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no, i was born in 1967, i always put fake birthdates when i register for things :)
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2005-01-25 03:59 [#01475940]
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Embarresed about your age, eh? ;0)
I'd of loved to have been old enough to go out when it all started off. Late 80s and early 90s I used to read comics in my elder borther's room listening to tapes of techno and acid.
There was quite a healthy rave scene in the disused docks warehouses in my home town (that he used to go to), but again, I was too young.
I then stopped listening to electronic music for about 8 years, before re-discovering it. Quite nice to hear Tricky Disco - Tricky Disco and LFO - LFO years later and still like 'em.
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iLoveIDM
from London (United Kingdom) on 2005-01-25 04:33 [#01475956]
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my birthdate for watmm is 1367 or something!
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bogala
from NYC (United States) on 2005-01-25 05:01 [#01475968]
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wow, you went to the hacienda ?
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iLoveIDM
from London (United Kingdom) on 2005-01-25 05:24 [#01475988]
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i was at art college in manchester at that time and us poor students couldn't afford acid or ecstasy so we had to make do with magic mushrooms + they had a student acid house night on wednesdays (called hot night) that was cheaper than the friday/staurday shindigs
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iLoveIDM
from London (United Kingdom) on 2005-01-25 05:26 [#01475992]
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or LAZY_TITLE
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JAroen
from the pineal gland on 2005-01-25 05:47 [#01476027]
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:'( fucking mailman didnt deliver my thinger yet :(
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iLoveIDM
from London (United Kingdom) on 2005-01-25 05:51 [#01476028]
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you're in the netherlands, expect it tomorrow or the next day
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hobbes
from age on 2005-01-25 05:52 [#01476029]
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Acid on sea! tuh tat tuh tattatatattatatatah tuh
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iLoveIDM
from London (United Kingdom) on 2005-01-25 06:17 [#01476064]
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that photo of hot night: everyone looks so 80s in it!
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