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To those of you who don't just "feel" the music (I wish I could do that like I used to; the ability dissappeared when I got into making music myself) but tend to "judge" it more...how do you decide how good music is? I'm sure everyone does that to an extent; they buy an album and listen to it and decide whether to pursue listening to it (if it sounds emmotionally/atmospherically stimulating and/or complex or "difficult") or to just think of it as trash and give it back to the shop. The way I tend to look at what makes "good" music is whether it engages me in creating a powerful atmosphere or an emmotional response in a skillful way. It doesn't *have* to be complex (often, simplicity can achieve more) but it has to have more depth then what I see on the surface; for example, in dark ambient music by artists like Robert Rich (Stalker) not much tends to happen on the surface-but it creates a brilliantly toxic atmosphere and perfectly achieves what it sets out to achieve in terms of the sound design and in the pacing of the music. Likewise, Confield has a really dark inviting atmosphere, and when you look deeper you can see the amount of precision and skill that it took to form. What I'm basically saying, is that I like music that is never accademically complex or skilled for the sake of it, but music that is both initially inviting (although not neccessarily easy) in terms of emmotion and atmosphere, yet is also successful when you look more closely at the complexity or design behind the music (although like I said earlier, well judged simplicity can work just as well.) What about you? Sorry for the long winded post, I just thought a lot of my recent posts were shit so I wanted to say something normal for once. Amen. |
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well, basically, if it gets a good rating on boomkat that makes it good enough for me. oh and pitchfork as well. |
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Confield has a really dark inviting atmosphere, and when you look deeper you can see the amount of precision and skill that it took to form. err, chinny reckon. chin rub. itchy chin. jimmy hill. |
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I like music that doesn't suck. |
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and cs2x went through all that effort..ahh guys.. |
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actually I lied. I listen to a lot of crap. melodics is very import'nt to me. I'm serios |
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earthleakage, I wasn't saying I like it BECAUSE it took skill to create (and objectively it has got very interesting sound design and interesting beats) I am saying that I initially enjoyed it because I liked the atmosphere. There's nothing pretentious about that, and if you DON'T like the atmosphere then you're free to think it's a load of bitchcrap. |
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i like music that is er, mmh. |
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I read Q magazine and NME all the time they are my best friends. |
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They're SHIT. I hate those mags. I use them to wipe pee pee of my willy when it has droplets of urine left on it after having taken a wee wee. |
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that is because those magazines are for people who understand good music exclusivly. |
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*sigh* You don't know what's best. You've upset me a bit, now i'm gonna have to go and write in my livejournal. |
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im beggining to apreciate all well equalized music... |
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Did I ever imply I am some authority on how to judge good music? No, I gave my opinion. Mind you, I am Autechre, so actually I DO have full authority. Go away. |
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You just take things ever so slightly seriously, i have no idea how i would define what i like in music... and i don't want to. Q mag? haha you silly man. |
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i really just "feel" the music... i'm totally instinctive and i'm afraid i can't even tell whether a track has been made in four months or four minutes. i did have some musical education, but when i learnt the piano i was so young it was just the really bare basics and i forget all but to find the "do" on the keyboard (i practiced it for more than 6 years though); and in the music class in medium school, the teacher was frightening me and i was always getting really bad marks in flute compensated by good marks in "theory" (which i totally forgot, history of music or something like that). i like "Vi Scose Poise" by Autechre a lot, because it feels like the cold metallic machinery is being shy, fragile and shivering and "receiving light/warmth" by a real beautiful melody, but i couldn't tell more, i can't tell whether it has random in it or not, whether the rhythm is 4/4, 5/7, 6/6/6 or whatever... i like Merzbow and early Boredoms a lot too, even if maybe they could make an album entirely within less than a week - i don't know. |
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"i like "Vi Scose Poise" by Autechre a lot, because it feels like the cold metallic machinery is being shy, fragile and shivering and "receiving light/warmth" by a real beautiful melody, but i couldn't tell more, i can't tell whether it has random in it or not, whether the rhythm is 4/4, 5/7, 6/6/6 or whatever... i like Merzbow and early Boredoms a lot too, even if maybe they could make an album entirely within less than a week - i don't know. " Thanks for taking the time to do a good reply. I actually think your way of listening is more instinctive and actually more fulfilling in many ways (although if I'm stoned I tend to take a more instinctive and "feel"-driven reaction to tracks.) |
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both approaches have their advantages and inconvenients... the rest of Confield is much less enjoyable than Vi Scose Poise to me, to stay in the same example. maybe if i had a "brainy" point of view instead of a "hearty" one like i do, i would appreciate them as much or better. (something that might appear strange is that even i have a "hearty" point of view, i really like some "brainy" music... i think it's really a pure hazard why i got into Aphex Twin and the likes, it was one of the first bands i heard of actually) |
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u have to FEEL the music!! i like music for grooves and vibe / atmosphere. i hate music if it reminds me of rock. |
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yes, good music to me, gets me into it, makes me feel it, turns my emotional responce on, that is music to me, pure and raw emotion....not the artists intention or his emotion, but rather my emotional responce to the piece - music isnt even visual to me, i dont see giant spiders bleeding yellow out of their eyes and crying when i here tracks from ae or phoenecia, its more of the connection i feel to it. music is very important to me. |
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Anything that fits your criteria of 'good' music. How is that criteria defined? Ah, that's the real question. |
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Well, that's what I meant then. ;) I never said I don't take a "hearty" approach btw...I mean, I can't get into a lot of Richard Devine stuff because even though it's immensely complex, it lacks the atmosphere and vibe to suck me in. |
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Music that makes me nod my head |
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its not defined nor will it ever be, its like trying to why you love a person, but thinking of the why in real terms: please write down here, why you love so and so. it hits you on a level that is not explained through language. |
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Exactly. Music is more than a sum of it's objective qualities. Just like love for someone. A reductionist method to understanding either simply won't work. |
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autechre. |
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It can work; I mean, haven't you asked for criticism on your own music? And then someone will say "Oh, the beat is lacking a bit" or "I hate that synth sound" or "I love that insane bit at the end." You can choose to ignore or listen to criticism; I do both. |
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yes, but youre talking about qualities of music, not what makes music good or even the music itself, its like turning in a paper to a teacher and getting it back with grades and corrections on it - it says nothing about the paper itself, you have to read the paper to truly see if it was 'good' or not. |
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this si stupid. there's no such thing as good or bad music unless you constrain your judgement into a context or paradigm, and in that case what's good and bad it's just obvious because the paradigm is constructed by the sole premises of what's good and bad. |
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