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offline The_Funkmaster from St. John's (Canada) on 2002-02-06 21:50 [#00081587]
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Who here likes it? I bought it today, and I'm listening to
it now... pretty cool, although I haven't listened to it all
yet...


 

offline fat kaimo from Finland on 2002-02-06 21:51 [#00081589]
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nin?


 

offline The_Funkmaster from St. John's (Canada) on 2002-02-06 21:53 [#00081592]
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yeah...


 

offline Ophecks from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2002-02-06 21:58 [#00081594]
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I like Trent, but for some unknown reason, I've never REALLY
gotten into his music, as great as it is.

I think it's his voice... I HATE his voice for some reason.


 

offline The_Funkmaster from St. John's (Canada) on 2002-02-06 22:00 [#00081597]
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yeah, this is my first real intro to NIN... I've heard a few
songs here and there, but never listened to a whole album...
I noticed a few people placed this album as number one on
their top 10 lists and stuff, so I figured I'd pick it up...



 

offline Canerfold from Minneappleseed (United States) on 2002-02-06 22:06 [#00081603]
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I was healthily obssessed up through The Downward Spiral.
My friend keeps praising the Fragile and I'd like to hear
it, but I can't really get into that dark vibe anymore. My
life has become an upward spiral, which is quite far from
anything Reznor seems to be going after. I'm sure it's
quite good though.


 

offline Ophecks from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2002-02-06 22:08 [#00081607]
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I have the Fragile in MP3 form, but I've never had time to
digest it all. Not that I don't like NIN, but there's more
music out there that I'm more interested in, and it's time
consuming to ''get to know'' a big double album.


 

offline 010101 from Vancouver (Canada) on 2002-02-06 22:21 [#00081626]
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The Fragile is amazing but the new live album is great it is
like, "a best of", there is even a pigface track on there.
NIN rule (I am now doing the rock sign with my hand)


 

offline REFLEX from Edmonton, Alberta (Canada) on 2002-02-06 22:30 [#00081630]
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I love nine inch nails, if you like them MAKE SURE YOU GET
the DVD! Its awsome. I have almost all the HALOS.


 

offline 010101 from Vancouver (Canada) on 2002-02-06 22:36 [#00081634]
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I must admit I have them all too and the stuff he has done
with Pigface and FLA


 

offline flea from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-02-06 22:48 [#00081638]
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what's he done with FLA?


 

offline Jarworski from The Grove (United Kingdom) on 2002-02-06 23:25 [#00081661]
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Trent Reznor is a fat racist


 

offline Smyrma from Beloit, WI (United States) on 2002-02-06 23:54 [#00081683]
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The Fragile is indeed an incredible album. By far my
favorite by him


 

offline REFLEX from Edmonton, Alberta (Canada) on 2002-02-06 23:59 [#00081687]
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How is he a racist?


 

offline TrevorGod from Toronto (Canada) on 2002-02-07 00:06 [#00081692]
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I have been into nin for quite a while but I didn't care too
much for the Fragile. I was hoping for some more growth
musically. With bands like autechre, squarepusher and coil
on his Nothing lable I expected more. I found the whole
thing a little dull. All very good stuff I just expected
more from nin.

btw: I'm a little curious as to what prompted the "Trent
Reznor is a fat racist" post.


 

offline titsworth from Washington, DC (United States) on 2002-02-07 00:32 [#00081703]
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as am i. first, trent's not fat. but who cares if he were.
second, he is not a racist. if you mean against blacks, his
dating preference is for BLACK women, and he's remixed the
neptunes (pharrell williams is black, chad hugo is asian)
and has worked with dr. dre. he's also into d'angelo,
aaliyah, erykah badu, a tribe called quest, etc. etc. so i
hope you don't mean against blacks. against any other race i
seriously doubt as i've never heard or read a single
disparaging remark he's made against a race and he seems
like a decent human being to me.

as for the fragile, that album is thus far trent's greatest
achievement. for 2 years after it came out i could not even
listen to the downward spiral because it sounded paltry in
comparison to the intricate and intelligent sonic layers of
the fragile. from a musical point of view it is a superior
album. i can enjoy TDS again now finally except for heresy
and mr. self-destruct. i used to be obsessed with nin, now i
like radiohead and aphex twin more, and listen to other cd's
more than nin albums, but nin still remains high on my list
of respectable and intriguing artists.

new nin material (that he's recording) has been described as
violent, minimalist synth techno, so we'll see how that
goes.


 

offline The_Funkmaster from St. John's (Canada) on 2002-02-07 00:34 [#00081708]
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yeah speaking of Radiohead, their My Iron Lung EP was there
at the store where I bought The Fragile... it's an import...
I should've bought it as well, cause I'm a MAD Radiohead
fan... anyone hear this EP?


 

offline nacmat on 2002-02-07 00:41 [#00081718]
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I have it I like it a lot... has a version acoustic of creep


 

offline nacmat on 2002-02-07 00:45 [#00081724]
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never heard NIN dont even know how do they sound... i just
know a track from the "lost higway" soundtrack, its good but
never felt the temptation of listening to them (or him)


 

offline titsworth from Washington, DC (United States) on 2002-02-07 00:48 [#00081726]
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"the perfect drug" from that soundtrack is an anomaly of
sorts... that was the only nin song he put out between 1994
and 1999 and it was really drum 'n' bass influenced, unlike
before or after.

i LOVE the my iron lung ep very much. 2 of my favorite
radiohead songs are on it: permanent daylight (their tribute
to sonic youth, done in their style - i named my show after
this song) and punch drunk lovesick singalong.


 

offline REFLEX from Edmonton, Alberta (Canada) on 2002-02-07 00:53 [#00081738]
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He had another song on the soundtrack as well.


 

offline titsworth from Washington, DC (United States) on 2002-02-07 00:57 [#00081744]
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he had 2 as "trent reznor" :) don't try to correct me on
nin, YOU WILL LOSE!!!! whereas one of the trent tracks was
non-musical, "driver down" - which i am sure you are
referring to - is a full song, but not typical nin. if you
want to be technical, he released a full ALBUM of music in
1996 as the quake soundtrack. but he didn't want that to be
credited to nin, even though on the game it says "sound and
music: trent reznor & nine inch nails". he also did a whole
40 minute EP of david bowie "i'm afraid of americans"
remixes but that's not new nin either. finally, he also
remixed a song w/ notorious big, busta rhymes, and a certain
rapper whose name i won't mention, but even the instrumental
of that shouldn't be called nin.

ahem.


 

offline Smyrma from Beloit, WI (United States) on 2002-02-07 01:00 [#00081747]
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On the comment that suggested that Reznor is a racist..

I heard that he called the Max Cavalera's replacement in
Sepultura (whose name escapes me) a 'dumb nigger' or
something to that extent. I have no idea whether or not he
really made the comment.


 

offline titsworth from Washington, DC (United States) on 2002-02-07 01:16 [#00081756]
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that's how rumors start, you know. "someone told me they
heard that..." if you didn't hear it personally, see him
write it online, or read it in a very reputable magazine,
it's not worth spreading around. knowing trent's personality
and collaborations i highly doubt he said anything of the
sort.


 

offline REFLEX from Edmonton, Alberta (Canada) on 2002-02-07 01:19 [#00081758]
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Agreed... I highly doubt he would say that, I mean who even
if they believed so, would say that to the world??? I mean
only in privacy do people talk about "dumb niggers" or
something like that. I mean...... no.


 

offline Springymajig from New Zealand on 2002-02-07 01:28 [#00081770]
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I am trying to get into NiN through my brother (who is a big
fan). I like alot of it. The Fragile is my favourite, but
mainly just the left disc. Awesome stuff. Most of right is
too similar, and some of it is just stupid and immature like
Starf@#kers.

I also like Piggy from The Downward Spiral.

The problem with that sorta music is that it's too dark and
angry too listen to any time. You REALLY have to get into
the mood of it.


 

offline The_Funkmaster from St. John's (Canada) on 2002-02-07 01:28 [#00081771]
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yeah I'll have to pick up that ep... I listened to some
samples on Amazon.com, and it sounds like The Bends... and I
love The Bends...


 

offline The_Funkmaster from St. John's (Canada) on 2002-02-07 01:30 [#00081773]
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yeah, it would be nice if their were more emotions
covered... now I haven't fully digested this album
obviously, so correct me if I'm wrong, but it's definately
mostly angry music here... a few songs which are a bit
uplifting maybe, but even those are kinda downers...


 

offline Canerfold from Minneappleseed (United States) on 2002-02-07 03:48 [#00081870]
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Jebus, don't make such a deal out of this pewrsons comment.
I'm sure s/he though it was humorous, or maybe s/he believes
it but just ignore.


 

offline Quoth from Sweden on 2002-02-07 03:54 [#00081873]
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This album is by far my most favorite "studio" album by Mr.
Reznor :)

He has incredible talent.


 

offline titsworth from Washington, DC (United States) on 2002-02-07 04:06 [#00081884]
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i wouldn't call the fragile an angry album. the only angry
songs on it, in my mind, are somewhat damaged and no, you
don't. the other fierce ones have greater elements of
cynicism, bitterness, and disappointment. his earlier stuff
is more angry (especially the killer "broken" ep, wow), he
was a little too old to do the angry stuff when he made the
fragile.


 

offline Quoth from Sweden on 2002-02-07 04:07 [#00081886]
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The Fragile was made with a steady dose of PROZAC!!!


 

offline LeCoeur from the outer edge of the universe (United States) on 2002-02-07 06:52 [#00081928]
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the fragile is an amazing piece of work. my appreciaton grew
from seeing about 9 nails shows in 2000....seeing how trent
realized it LIVE made the CD extra special. while i like the
DVD.....it doesn't do the tour justice....


 

offline LeCoeur from the outer edge of the universe (United States) on 2002-02-07 06:53 [#00081929]
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btw quoth......i agree PROZAC had something to do with
it...teeee heee



 

offline The_Funkmaster from St. John's (Canada) on 2002-02-08 15:16 [#00083354]
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what's up with all this Halo talk... what are they about?


 

offline titsworth from Washington, DC (United States) on 2002-02-08 20:21 [#00083531]
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halo numbers are assigned to every commercial release by
nin, whether singles, ep's, albums, or video/dvd sets. there
are 17 so far.


 

offline The_Funkmaster from St. John's (Canada) on 2002-02-08 21:29 [#00083572]
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ahhh, I see... cool...


 

offline Quoth from Sweden on 2002-02-09 05:07 [#00083804]
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do you have a boyfriend?


 

offline Zombiekev from Ardmore (United States) on 2002-02-09 05:14 [#00083806]
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that album flows perfectly, its pretty scary at some points
if you listen to it after a session


 

offline LeCoeur from the outer edge of the universe (United States) on 2002-02-09 06:54 [#00083849]
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i agree with the flow part of your remark.....however what
do you mean by 'after a session?'


 

offline REFLEX from Edmonton, Alberta (Canada) on 2002-02-09 08:23 [#00083878]
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Yeah the Fragile flows perfectly I agree.. althoug I enjoy
his earlier works better.... such as Pretty Hate Machine, or
Furhter Down the Spiral.... even The Downward Spiral. Those
ARE essential for any NIN fan. then Broken and then Fixed...
are good to own as well. The singles are amazing....

Although the new NIN DVD just AMAZED me....


 

offline Netlon Sentinel from eDe (Netherlands, The) on 2002-02-09 14:04 [#00083959]
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what about reznors work on the quake soundtrack? really dark
ambient stuff on there. i put it in my cdcollection since i
don't play the game anymore. the music is still strong, esp.
that song with the low 'lion noises', or something..


 

offline flea from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-02-09 15:51 [#00083973]
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arent the two albums left and right supposed to represent
the left and right side of the brain hence the right one's
got the harder and wilder stuff


 

offline REFLEX from Edmonton, Alberta (Canada) on 2002-02-09 18:44 [#00084012]
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Possibly.. but I doubt it.. anyone else hear that?


 

offline LeCoeur from the outer edge of the universe (United States) on 2002-02-09 19:21 [#00084025]
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i heard something about the left & right side, not the brain
reference specifically........but that sounds
interesting...hmmmmm


 

offline StueF from St. Louis, Mo (United States) on 2002-02-09 19:25 [#00084026]
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didn't he do quake two also? either way both quake
soundtracks r great. good music just to work, drive, code,
or stare mindlessly into the computer screen...


 

offline LeCoeur from the outer edge of the universe (United States) on 2002-02-09 20:00 [#00084044]
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hehehe quoth.....you're too funny

yes i do have a bf.....he's a regular on this message board
(=


 

offline titsworth from Washington, DC (United States) on 2002-02-12 00:36 [#00085794]
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no, he didn't do quake 2.. i think quake 2 was a bunch of
rob zombie songs and misc. metal/rock/bullshit


 

offline nacmat on 2002-02-12 00:41 [#00085801]
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never heard any NIN!!!!!
i am beggining to feel an alien in this MB for not knowing
NIN


 

online big from lsg on 2002-02-12 00:54 [#00085829]
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i'd like to reflect on the fragile,
i think it was disappointing,
i read in OOR magazine about the way it was concieved:
the first year trent just let flow out all kind music. this
made somekind of atmosperic album, which he could have used
for a soundtrack or something, but then he spent another
year making this music into nin-songs.
And that last thing, i think, he shouldn't have done,
otherwise there had been real progression, now the only
songs i only totally like are (as far as i see from the
sleeve now): just like you imagined, pilgrimage, la mer, the
great below, ripe and the completely nin and therefor fun
starfucker, inc..
btw was the confirmation of the fact that this album was
less good for me the remix album which for the downward
spiral was genius but for the fragile was crap, and therefor
the first nin i didnt buy.
i hope i didn't bore the crap out of you with this review, i
just had to get it off my chest


 


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