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weatheredstoner
from same shit babes. (United States) on 2005-01-05 00:12 [#01445800]
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Why is it that when we dream, we can see with such amazingly vivid detail, when we are awake, our memories aren't as keen?
Like in dreams, (sometimes) you are able to process everything in your surroundings, like if you are standing in a forest, every tree is clear, you can go up to each branch and count the leaves and still be able to notice the anthill below you with every ant acounted for and scurrying about. It becomes a temporary reality.
But when we are awake, I cant even come close. Sure we can imagine a forest with lots of leaves and a random anthill somewhere in the picture, but its not a 'reality', its just a temporary image that will change dramatically if you try to picture it from another angle.
Its like comparing a 3d game to a blurry picture...
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r40f
from qrters tea party on 2005-01-05 00:32 [#01445808]
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that's a good question. i wonder if anyone here finds an answer. i'd be interested to hear it.
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bogala
from NYC (United States) on 2005-01-05 01:14 [#01445825]
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for me my dreams are always better than my real life. So, I guess my mind is subconsciously trying to forget them so I don't commit suicide.
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Q4Z2X
on 2005-01-05 01:17 [#01445826]
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I'd guess its because during rem sleep the brain is able to give its full effort to creating the dream's visuals and atmosphere, etc., and also because when you are dreaming, the things that are usually happening are seemingly pretty random, and are inspired by subconcious thoughts which play a huge role in what happens overall in the dream. When you are trying to focus on a single point, image, or idea while you are awake, you are basically forcing these thoughts, and I don't think many people have the mental control to do something like that. I mean, for example, it is difficult to not think about something, after you've decided what that something is. coversely, it's difficult to focus in on one specific thing if you are trying. And in dreaming, the focal points are often things that are familiar and easy to visualise, or at least realistically replicate the experience, if the whole brain is focused on that task. The brain isn't doing all kinds of things like in real life. I would think that, while dreaming, brain activity is less complex than when awake, because the brain is drawing from itself to create perceptions, and all of its areas that deal with taking in stimuli, or any physical interaction are shut down. But then again, the brain is also creating it's perceptions as the same time as you experience them, so I'd think that it is using certain areas that it doesn't usually use while you are awake. Another thing to take into account is that when dreaming, all that's taking place can seem very rich and realistic, it doesn't usually register in the brain the same way as actual physical events or waking thoughts do. I don't think dreams are recorded in long term memory the way real things are. So when you wake up, you've got a slight mental picture of the dream and know what took place for the most part, but if it were to be stored in your long term memory, it would probably seem crude and 'patchy' compared to actual reality.
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Q4Z2X
on 2005-01-05 01:18 [#01445827]
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I've said too much. And I know that people who can lucid dream probably cancel out a lot of what I said, (like dreams being less memorable or interactive, or that they are virtually never 'educational', as in you can draw in new knowledge or ideas in much the same way as reality..)
I think in the movie 'waking life' the guy explains about the certain areas of the brain are active/inactive during sleep and awakeness. you've all probably seen it.
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pachi
from yo momma (United States) on 2005-01-05 01:21 [#01445829]
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After waking up from a bad dream I think, "damn, glad that wasn't real."
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Q4Z2X
on 2005-01-05 01:26 [#01445830]
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Do you ever get that brief moment right after waking up where you aren't completely sure if what you just dreamt was a recent memory or fake?
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oxygenfad
from www.oxygenfad.com (Canada) on 2005-01-05 02:23 [#01445842]
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Dreams are extremely sacred to me. I take them very seriously sometimes.
I've changed things I've done in life because they were similiar to things I've seen/heard in dreams.
You should pick up a dream dictionary, those things are great!
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Q4Z2X
on 2005-01-05 02:38 [#01445848]
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I hate the idea of those things. If dreams are so personal and expressive of the subconcious, then their interpretation should be subjective. What a dream symbolises really completely depends on the person's life situation and personality. I think a 'dream dictionary' should do little more than provide a basic starting point as to what a dream could mean.
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OK
on 2005-01-05 02:51 [#01445856]
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you can actually excersize how u remember dreams. just by tryin to remember every detail u can when u just wake up
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hedphukkerr
from mathbotton (United States) on 2005-01-05 03:14 [#01445865]
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i cant be bothered to read all that shit, but its prolly because in our dreams, our mind creates the anthill. in reality, its there but youre not necesserilly aware of it mentally.
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Dannn_
from United Kingdom on 2005-01-05 04:26 [#01445921]
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I got a notepad, put it by my bed and put a sign on the ceiling to remind me to write down anything i could remember straight away when I woke up. I wrote every dream and the date. It was very interesting, especially in conjunction with my diary. I haven't done it lately but I will start again.
I think that dreams are remembered differently to how they actually occur. I think its only when you wake up that you form a train of thoughts into a chronological memory, because this is the only way your mind expects things to be remembered. So you thought about the trees with all the leaves, and then you thought about the anthill with all the ants, and when you wake up and think 'what happened in that dream?' you remember looking at the trees and then looking at the ants and you fill in the blanks where you would expect other things to have happened which help the story move through time in a normal way. Think about any time you've tried to recite a dream, and how you tell it with bits like 'then I walked over to the trees' which you probably just made up because it feels like what must have happened.
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weatheredstoner
from same shit babes. (United States) on 2005-01-05 08:47 [#01446077]
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yes theres always those huge gaps in dreams after you wake up, you know something had to happen between point A + B, and perhaps it did, but you lose it quickly after the dream is over.
I'm not sure what else to discuss as I was prematurely woken up to go to my shit job and I cant think very well.
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