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offline marlowe from Antarctica on 2004-12-12 11:00 [#01423095]
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"The day I flew in, we stayed up in the air watching the
whole place get hit. I couldn't believe that was the
place I was going. After the mortar attack, I got to my unit
and asked to see the captain. They told me he was away from
the main area of the camp.
'Well, can I get him?'
'Sure, he's right out there under those trees somewhere.'
I walked out to meet him and take over command. He was
dead with his head blown off and his dick in the air. He had
been out there masturbating when the mortars hit and got his
head blown right off. Stiff as a board with his cock in his
hands."

From the amazing book, Nam


 

offline earthleakage from tell the world you're winning on 2004-12-12 11:01 [#01423098]
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so what are you reading at the moment then?


 

offline marlowe from Antarctica on 2004-12-12 11:02 [#01423100]
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Northern Lights, by Philip Pullman - at the aggresive
suggestion by my sister-in-law. I read that book, Nam, over
two nights it was that engrossing.


 

offline virginpusher from County Clare on 2004-12-12 11:11 [#01423110]
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I ended up taking time and talking with a local veteran by a
local bar. His stories were quite interesting to say the
least. Alot of them mildly bummed me out. Just the fact when
i asked him "did you at any point, think you were making any
progress?" and his answer was along the lines of "shit no."

He had done a 13 month tour and was effected by Agent Orange
on numerous occasions. His health is lacking today because
of effects of it.


 

offline pantalaimon from Winterfell (United Kingdom) on 2004-12-12 11:12 [#01423112]
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wow, your reading 'His Dark Materials'! Everyone should read
them, did you know in America they were burning the books
because of the way religion is portrayed?


 

offline marlowe from Antarctica on 2004-12-12 11:16 [#01423120]
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I heard that the mention of God and Religion is being
expunged from the films for fear of offending the far-right
Christians.


 

offline Rostasky from United States on 2004-12-12 11:17 [#01423121]
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They? Please be more specific than 'Americans,' as most of
us had nothing to do with this, and I have never even heard
of it.


 

offline qrter from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2004-12-12 11:19 [#01423124]
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well, if books are being burned because of the way religion
is portrayed in them, it doesn't take that much thought to
come to the conclusion that we're talking right-wing
christians here.


 

offline Rostasky from United States on 2004-12-12 12:01 [#01423164]
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Enough people don't make the distinction that I think it is
necessary to say ask.


 

offline qrter from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2004-12-12 12:05 [#01423167]
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so you think people on this mb, reading "did you know in
America they were burning the books because of the way
religion is portrayed?"
, would seriously think that a
large group of randomly assorted Americans has started
burning these books, apparently without any religious
reasons behind their bookburning actions (eventhough it has
been actually stated that the way religion is portrayed is
the main cause)..?


 

offline Rostasky from United States on 2004-12-12 12:09 [#01423172]
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No, but I think that some would equate Americans with
right-wing Christians.


 

offline qrter from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2004-12-12 12:12 [#01423176]
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ha! sadly, you could be right about that.


 

offline pantalaimon from Winterfell (United Kingdom) on 2004-12-12 12:12 [#01423178]
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exactly, its pretty obvious


 

offline Rostasky from United States on 2004-12-12 12:13 [#01423182]
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Ok, I'm wrong.


 

offline pantalaimon from Winterfell (United Kingdom) on 2004-12-12 12:16 [#01423186]
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have a look at my thread "facing the challenge" as i don't
want to take over this one


 

offline Ganymede from Tlön, Uqbar, Orbis Tertius on 2004-12-12 13:00 [#01423265]
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Good on you Paul for reading His Dark Materials! The only
problem with taking out the anti-religious elements from the
books for the movies if that there won't be much left! I
hope the movies aren't going to be a total botch job now.

Has anyone here had the opportunity to see the stage
adaptation at the National?


 

offline pantalaimon from Winterfell (United Kingdom) on 2004-12-12 13:18 [#01423288]
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my god!

Dark Materials photo's

it looks AMAZING, i'll be going to see that definately!!

sold out until february though :(


 

offline qrter from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2004-12-12 14:31 [#01423368]
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heh, Lesley Manville as Mrs Coulter - she's always great in
Mike Leigh's films.


 

offline pantalaimon from Winterfell (United Kingdom) on 2004-12-12 14:36 [#01423373]
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is he a director i should check out?


 

offline qrter from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2004-12-12 14:39 [#01423376]
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yes!


 

offline pantalaimon from Winterfell (United Kingdom) on 2004-12-12 14:41 [#01423377]
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i take it he's a british director? i'd love to check out
some british films but i'm put off by notting hill, full
monty etc... we must make some decent films


 

offline qrter from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2004-12-12 14:45 [#01423382]
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I'm surprised you don't know him!

together with Ken Loach he's responsible for an onslaught of
socially bleak films.

Mike Leigh at IMdb

classics are "abigail's party" (which was originally a
stageplay, filmed by the BBC in the '70s), "naked", "secrets
and lies" and, my personal favourite, "topsy-turvy".


 

offline deepspace9mm from filth on 2004-12-12 14:48 [#01423384]
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Abigail's party is absolutely brililrilrilliant.


 

offline qrter from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2004-12-12 14:48 [#01423386]
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whatever the hell "socially bleak films" are supposed to
be..

I'm so sorry.

his films are normally very bleak in nature and have a great
social awareness around them.

he never writes scripts, but creates films based on a very
basic outline and letting his actors improvise, then finally
filming it.

even "topsy-turvy", which is a costume-drama (although it's
VERY funny) about Gilbert and Sullivan, is based on
historical research and THEN improvisation.


 

offline qrter from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2004-12-12 14:49 [#01423387]
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indeed!


 

offline pantalaimon from Winterfell (United Kingdom) on 2004-12-12 14:54 [#01423390]
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His films don't seem to get much publicity over here, a
British film gets hyped up only when Hugh Grant stars in it,
like Notting Hill. Any serious films don't get a mentioned.
I've never really looked at british film making beyond that
because i didn't think there was anything! I never thought
we have any directors as capable as our European neighbours,
like Almadovar for example.

Anyway, thanks for the heads up, i'll check out his films,


 

offline pantalaimon from Winterfell (United Kingdom) on 2004-12-12 14:59 [#01423396]
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just looking him up on google, he doesn't even get funding
from this country, he gets it from france... shame, he seems
pretty highly regarded, even mentioned in the same breath as
Bergman on the bbc site yet hardly anyone has heard of him
here.


 

offline Ganymede from Tlön, Uqbar, Orbis Tertius on 2004-12-12 15:38 [#01423418]
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I agree that the stage version looks amazing and would love
to see it. I hope that someone thinks to film the staged
version and release it too.


 

offline giginger from Milky Beans (United Kingdom) on 2004-12-12 16:29 [#01423508]
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Ooooh! That does look nice. I'll be going,


 

offline Zephyr Twin from ΔΔΔ on 2004-12-12 20:39 [#01423670]
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so this Nam book looks pretty good.


 

offline pantalaimon from Winterfell (United Kingdom) on 2004-12-13 05:09 [#01423779]
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what book?



 

offline marlowe from Antarctica on 2004-12-13 08:14 [#01423917]
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If you like Abigail's Party, check out Nuts In May... I've
been looking for this on VHS/DVD for ages! It's a great
film! (also by Mike Leigh).

Talking of socially bleak films, there is one by Ken Loach,
let me check IMDB.com for it... hmm, might not be by Ken
Loach.. anyway, it's a UK film about a single mother
struggling to cope in a rundown council estate in London..
In the end, she kills her children and herself - it's a
heartbreaking film, and I have wanted to watch it again
since I first saw it -- only I can't remember the Title :(


 

offline pantalaimon from Winterfell (United Kingdom) on 2004-12-13 09:07 [#01423970]
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You know, i went to HMV and Smiths today to see if I could
find either Topsy Turvy or All of Nothing and couldn't find
either of them, lots of copies of Love Actually though

:(

ah well, just ordered All or Nothing from play.com, at least
there is a way of getting his films.


 

offline qrter from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2004-12-13 09:12 [#01423974]
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that might be Loach's "ladybird ladybird" - not sure though,
haven't seen that one.


 

offline qrter from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2004-12-13 09:14 [#01423976]
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hmm. I didn't like "all or nothing" that much.. it certainly
falls into the genre of "socially bleak", though. :)



 

offline marlowe from Antarctica on 2004-12-13 09:31 [#01423987]
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I saw Ladybird Ladybird in the cinema -- it's not that film,
it's from the 1980s I think, the one I mean... nothing
seemed to come up on the IMDB plot search -- very annoying.


 

offline pantalaimon from Winterfell (United Kingdom) on 2004-12-13 10:01 [#01424011]
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I really wanted to get Naked but it doesn't even have a DVD
release here yet


 

offline qrter from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2004-12-13 11:09 [#01424048]
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I know, it's pretty ridiculous, it won a huge amount of
prizes and, together with "secrets & lies", is his best
known film.

you'd think it would be out on dvd. but no.


 

offline qrter from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2004-12-13 11:12 [#01424051]
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I have found a torrent for it at delirium-vault.com - it has
1 (one) seed, so I'll try and download it this week and if
it's of a reasonable quality, I can pass it on to you.

if you'd like (and if you're not already a member), I can
invite you to delirium-vault.com - the best torrent-site I
know, completely dedicated to semi-cultish
films/music/tv-programmes - send me a mail (see my profile).


 

offline epohs from )C: on 2004-12-13 11:14 [#01424053]
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delirium-vault is an assturd for not letting me join.

:(


 

offline qrter from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2004-12-13 11:17 [#01424058]
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send me a mail, dear, with the nick you'd like and an
e-mail-adress they can use to contact you.

I'll get you in, DAMMIT! :)


 

offline pantalaimon from Winterfell (United Kingdom) on 2004-12-13 13:36 [#01424254]
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can anyone else get this interview with Mike Leigh about his
new film working?

Vera Drake

i've tried firefox and internet explorer but neither works



 

offline afxNUMB from So.Flo on 2004-12-13 13:41 [#01424264]
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We got this book for my Dad last Christmas...A really
intense book to read and look at the pictures.


 

offline marlowe from Antarctica on 2004-12-14 07:26 [#01424905]
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Hey, my copy had no pictures! I bought the paperback version
in a 2nd-hand bookshop for £2.


 

offline pantalaimon from Winterfell (United Kingdom) on 2004-12-14 07:42 [#01424923]
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anyone get that interview working?


 


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