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virginpusher
from County Clare on 2004-12-08 21:19 [#01420146]
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Upon thinking about the upcoming analord i remembered it is only on vinal.
Thats well and cool for those that actually have a turntable but i do not.
Nor do i think i would actually buy a turntable. Vinal is bulky and inaccessable. No friends of mine have turntables. Therefore if i wanted to bring over the "latest release" i wouldnt be able to play it.
CD's can be played virtually everywhere. House, car so on and so forth.
are vinals going to disappear one day? How popular are they where you live? (i would assume that the UK would find more people that has turntables/vinal)
Why is vinal better?
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thecurbcreeper
from United States on 2004-12-08 21:30 [#01420151]
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vinyl :)
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hedphukkerr
from mathbotton (United States) on 2004-12-08 21:31 [#01420152]
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there will always be vinyl as long as there are geeky audiophiles who swear they can hear the difference between vinyl and cds.
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hedphukkerr
from mathbotton (United States) on 2004-12-08 21:32 [#01420153]
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just like how there will always be cds for the people who complain that mp3s all sound like shit. either that, or data transfer will become so fast we can download full albums in minutes in lossless formats.
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thecurbcreeper
from United States on 2004-12-08 21:33 [#01420154]
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i think it had it uses for djing, but now there are mp3s which can be mixed, beat matched and all that stuff. there are even cd dj tools.
personally i think cds make more sense, but i have caved in and bought a record player within the last year so i could own and listen to vinyl exclusive releases.
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Amnesiac
from ERIE (United States) on 2004-12-08 21:33 [#01420155]
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the only stuff i have on vinyl is stuff that's only on vinyl
and the hot snakes album because i like the artwork and wanted it big
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Rostasky
from United States on 2004-12-08 21:34 [#01420156]
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Orwell and Huxley need to watch out.
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thecurbcreeper
from United States on 2004-12-08 21:39 [#01420158]
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in a recent triumph of cds over vinyl:
the once released on vinyl team doyobi remix cd has now been released on cd w/ 3 more tracks!
huzzah!
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r40f
from qrters tea party on 2004-12-08 21:39 [#01420159]
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for many bands, they're a novelty at this point. putting 2 songs on a giant piece of wax is just plain cool. and the rarity factor of 500 vinyl copies of a few songs makes them ideal for bands to sell to collectors and hardcore fans. it's more interesting, i think, to get the 7" rather than two songs on a cd that can hold 80 minutes of music.
i have a modest record collection. i buy stuff that are vinyl-only releases. and i have the shellac records. and a whole lot of worn-out thrift store junk records, which are great for sampling.
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r40f
from qrters tea party on 2004-12-08 21:58 [#01420160]
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since vinyl has a strong niche market, i don't think they'll be gone forever.
on the other hand, audio cassettes are effectively being phased out as we speak. fewer and fewer stores, for instance, carry cassette decks. many boomboxes don't have them.
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Ophecks
from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2004-12-08 22:29 [#01420168]
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I hope they never die, I love the big artwork and that saucy smell. That said, they're totally worthless to me, as is anything that involves moving my body/limbs to begin the listening period.
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Taxidermist
from Black Grass on 2004-12-09 03:54 [#01420254]
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Just download it. If he refuses to release it in a format you can use, don't feel bad about not giving him any money for it. Music should be accessible, or it should be free.
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vlari
from beyond the valley of the LOLs on 2004-12-09 04:10 [#01420262]
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The thing about cd's are that over time, they will corrode and become useful only as coasters. This deterioration is speeded up if you don't take care of them. With vinyl, being analog and such, does not lose it's information due corrosion. We might see the vinyl version of a record outlive it's cd counterpart given enough time.
This sucks quite a bit, since I have quite a lot of cd's, and I hate the fact that I might have to buy another copy of a record sometime in the future. As for my vinyl collection I'm certain that they will last the rest of my life. To prolong the lifespan of my vinyls I have begun to put all new purchases onto my computer to cut down on the heavy play they get right after I aqcuire them.
My verdict is that vinyl is still a strong contestant in the format wars.
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somejerk
from south florida, US (United States) on 2004-12-09 06:46 [#01420312]
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i have tables and a few records, as well as a ton of cd's and mp3's. many dj's prefer to use vinyl records, as they can see and 'feel' the different parts of the tracks coming up. now that i've been playing around with mixing for the past couple months, i've come to really appreciate vinyl.
unfortunately, vinyl will disappear, as the price of the material needed to make it is increasing and the demand for vinyl is not.
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giginger
from Milky Beans (United Kingdom) on 2004-12-09 07:11 [#01420335]
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Vinyl is awesome. Sounds great but isn't as useful as a CD. Can't tell what sounds better. Sometimes I think Vinyl and sometimes I think CD.
OH NOES!
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2004-12-09 07:14 [#01420339]
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vinyl will never disappear!
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Inverted Whale
from United States Minor Outlying Islands on 2004-12-09 07:39 [#01420362]
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I'm not sure. If you don't properly clean your records, the simple act of playing them can damage them each time. Cleaning is a real pain in the ass.
I think both CDs and records will last a long time when stored in the case or sleeve in an upright position. The killer of CDs is bright light and heat and the killer of vinyl is dust and other gunk. Take your pick.
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mashnote
from mol (Belgium) on 2004-12-09 07:47 [#01420373]
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vinyl of course. i'm a vinyl geek and will spend months if not years for a rare 7" on blue vinyl..(example)
and i rather look at all my vinyls on my shelfs than all that plastic in the rack. love the bigger artwork too.
i don't think it will disappear. there are lots of kids around here becoming more interested in buying vinyl.
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vlari
from beyond the valley of the LOLs on 2004-12-09 07:48 [#01420376]
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12" inches won't last long if you treat them like shit. My vinyl preserving politics Never touch the surface of the grooves, only the label and edges.
Always put the record back in it's sleeve after playing it.
Have one of those vinyl brushes available, and use it!
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mashnote
from mol (Belgium) on 2004-12-09 07:53 [#01420383]
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vlari
i second that. don't have a good brush anymore though, need to get one.
i HATE it when people come over, and take a record out and put their hands all over it. luckily most of my friends are vinyl junkies too.
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2004-12-09 08:08 [#01420409]
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and that's pretty much the pain of vinyl - every time I put a record on, I get the feeling like I'm disarming a bomb.
it's not like I'm tossing around cd's, but you get my point.
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mashnote
from mol (Belgium) on 2004-12-09 08:33 [#01420456]
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vlari
i second that. don't have a good brush anymore though, need to get one.
i HATE it when people come over, and take a record out and put their hands all over it. luckily most of my friends are vinyl junkies too.
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mashnote
from mol (Belgium) on 2004-12-09 08:34 [#01420458]
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sorry about the double post...dunno haw that happened.
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Dannn_
from United Kingdom on 2004-12-09 08:49 [#01420466]
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Can't really be bothered with vinyl, there's hardly ever anything I want that is vinyl only. I do like the biggness of them though, you feel like you've actually bought an object as well as the music.
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earthleakage
from tell the world you're winning on 2004-12-09 09:24 [#01420525]
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too right!
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earthleakage
from tell the world you're winning on 2004-12-09 09:25 [#01420529]
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are you saying you have limp wrists?
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tragedy
from Gloucester (United States) on 2004-12-09 09:34 [#01420543]
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vinal is such an ugly word... everything about it... even the way it's spelled even tho it's not a real word.
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virginpusher
from County Clare on 2004-12-09 09:58 [#01420579]
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Also a new question. I have heard talk about people hearing a difference between vinal and CD.
In all honesty i could see the same people that dont want to let go of vinal saying that they can hear a difference. What exactly do you listen for? Or is it overall quality
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earthleakage
from tell the world you're winning on 2004-12-09 09:58 [#01420581]
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i like to watch the label in the middle go round in circles
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2004-12-09 09:59 [#01420582]
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it sounds less mechanical on vinyl...i prefer cds though.
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2004-12-09 09:59 [#01420583]
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hahaha
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virginpusher
from County Clare on 2004-12-09 10:04 [#01420589]
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ha!
:D
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weatheredstoner
from same shit babes. (United States) on 2004-12-09 10:15 [#01420601]
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I'd love to respond to this topic but you keep spelling vinyl wrong...
... ok i'm over it...
I dont buy vinyl because it has a higher quality sound over CD's. The biggest format I use is mp3s, because its convenient, small, etc... People tell me that they can hear differences between vinyl and cd, but its not too noticeable, at least not enough for me to care.
I do like vinyl more than CD's as I've stopped buying CD and started buying way more vinyl. I agree with what others have said about the bigger artwork, and its like you bought something truly physical rather than a plastic disk with a bunch of 1's and 0's on it...
I also agree with qrter, it is like disarming a bomb. I'm very carefull to not touch the grooves and stick my fingers only the outside/middle.
Plus I Dj and stuff, and I've thought about dj'ing with cd's or mp3s, but its kinda lame imo, although only as a primary dj tool. If anything, turntables will be primary, then maybe a mp3 or cd player to mix in songs that I dont have on vinyl.
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virginpusher
from County Clare on 2004-12-09 10:17 [#01420606]
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ahahah! I knew something looked wrong. damn!
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2004-12-09 10:19 [#01420608]
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oh man! the 2nd post already corrected that!
you don't even read your own threads man!!
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2004-12-09 10:20 [#01420609]
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I bet you'd like that.
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2004-12-09 10:21 [#01420613]
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i think he knew that since every post in here was to correct that.
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2004-12-09 10:21 [#01420615]
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nicely formed that.
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vlari
from beyond the valley of the LOLs on 2004-12-09 10:22 [#01420617]
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A well cut 12" packs more punch in the low-end. But the most noticable difference is with punk/hardcore records imo. The treble and hi end on those are absolutely stunning and sound way better than the cd version. The guitars sound almost like they do at liveshows.
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k_maty
on 2004-12-09 10:34 [#01420641]
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Record your vinyl collection to cd-r's, then you have both. Vinyl wins!
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virginpusher
from County Clare on 2004-12-09 10:35 [#01420646]
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I was way super tired when i made this thread, so when i read it i just read vinyl. I didnt reall think about it because my mind was scrammbled.
How embarassing!
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r40f
from qrters tea party on 2004-12-09 10:42 [#01420651]
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they sound different because records are mastered differently from cds. they have to do stuff like eq the bass so the needle doesn't jump out.
so when you have a record, you're supposed to play it through some equipment to get everything sounding real good.
they don't sound "better" than cd's - they sound different.
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2004-12-09 10:45 [#01420660]
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Yes, try playing modern dance music with a pronounced kick drum on an old turntable and watch the needle skip in time to the beat :-/
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r40f
from qrters tea party on 2004-12-09 11:20 [#01420729]
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well, maybe i'm wrong, but i thought most records were mastered that way? all my rock records sound much different from the cd's with the eq flat.
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KADO
from The Belafonte (United Kingdom) on 2004-12-09 11:52 [#01420788]
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Im one of those sad cases who can tell the difference in sound between cd and vinyl, and pulling 12" out of your box has more impact on the ladies....But it's just way too expensive now, back in the early nineties you would pick up tracks for £2 - £5; now on Average new singles are between £5 - £10.
Vinyl may sound warmer and have more bollox when its cut well but I now prefer to get value for money at Bleep.com. its Asda price over there and I can burn as many copies as I want so it never deteriorates.
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dave_g
from United Kingdom on 2004-12-09 12:20 [#01420831]
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Well, I have decks and tons of vinyl. I get my grubby fingers all over the thing when scratching, and throw them around quite a bit, perhaps less so with older records than modern 12" singles. I hardly ever clean them.
I can touch and feel it, I can put my finger nail in the groove and make my thumb make the music. I can look at the grooves and SEE what the music is going to do(ideal for DJs).
If I want it to stop, I can put my hand on it and stop the rotation. I can spin it backwards. I can turn the motor off and play it at whatever speed my hands can muster.
I can slow stuff down or speed it up with no DSP or CPU processing, and it sounds GOOD when I do this, not aliased and digitized.
Sometimes an old record will have hiss and pops, so what, life isnt perfect. Humans hear through all that, it sounds much more real than cds and as for dvd audio, yeah yeah 24/96, but it doesnt have the feeling. Vinyl is simple, and elegant. It sounds more like life does. Out on the streets there are constant distractions, some might say like the hiss on vinyl, but life is still enjoyable, so are records, get over it!
Think of valves / tubes. Its obsolete technology, yet you can buy valve amps still, because they sound great....
Its exactly the same story with vinyl. Its simple, it works, it sounds GREAT.
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virginpusher
from County Clare on 2004-12-09 12:24 [#01420836]
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Good point. See i've never really spun anything. I like the hiss and pops on old records actually. Sounds real vintage like!
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vlari
from beyond the valley of the LOLs on 2004-12-09 13:20 [#01420879]
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"Reading" vinyl is awesome!
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Sido Dyas
from a computer on 2004-12-09 13:36 [#01420885]
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I liek vinyl
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Inverted Whale
from United States Minor Outlying Islands on 2004-12-09 13:43 [#01420888]
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You are a budding Arthur G. Lintgen!
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