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Vinal: Useless/dated and or not very handy?
 

offline virginpusher from County Clare on 2004-12-08 21:19 [#01420146]
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Upon thinking about the upcoming analord i remembered it is
only on vinal.

Thats well and cool for those that actually have a turntable
but i do not.

Nor do i think i would actually buy a turntable. Vinal is
bulky and inaccessable. No friends of mine have turntables.
Therefore if i wanted to bring over the "latest release" i
wouldnt be able to play it.

CD's can be played virtually everywhere. House, car so on
and so forth.

are vinals going to disappear one day?
How popular are they where you live? (i would assume that
the UK would find more people that has turntables/vinal)
Why is vinal better?


 

offline thecurbcreeper from United States on 2004-12-08 21:30 [#01420151]
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vinyl :)


 

offline hedphukkerr from mathbotton (United States) on 2004-12-08 21:31 [#01420152]
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there will always be vinyl as long as there are geeky
audiophiles who swear they can hear the difference between
vinyl and cds.


 

offline hedphukkerr from mathbotton (United States) on 2004-12-08 21:32 [#01420153]
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just like how there will always be cds for the people who
complain that mp3s all sound like shit. either that, or data
transfer will become so fast we can download full albums in
minutes in lossless formats.


 

offline thecurbcreeper from United States on 2004-12-08 21:33 [#01420154]
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i think it had it uses for djing, but now there are mp3s
which can be mixed, beat matched and all that stuff. there
are even cd dj tools.

personally i think cds make more sense, but i have caved in
and bought a record player within the last year so i could
own and listen to vinyl exclusive releases.


 

offline Amnesiac from ERIE (United States) on 2004-12-08 21:33 [#01420155]
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the only stuff i have on vinyl is stuff that's only on
vinyl

and the hot snakes album because i like the artwork and
wanted it big


 

offline Rostasky from United States on 2004-12-08 21:34 [#01420156]
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Orwell and Huxley need to watch out.


 

offline thecurbcreeper from United States on 2004-12-08 21:39 [#01420158]
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in a recent triumph of cds over vinyl:

the once released on vinyl team doyobi remix cd has now been
released on cd w/ 3 more tracks!

huzzah!


 

offline r40f from qrters tea party on 2004-12-08 21:39 [#01420159]
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for many bands, they're a novelty at this point. putting 2
songs on a giant piece of wax is just plain cool. and the
rarity factor of 500 vinyl copies of a few songs makes them
ideal for bands to sell to collectors and hardcore fans.
it's more interesting, i think, to get the 7" rather than
two songs on a cd that can hold 80 minutes of music.

i have a modest record collection. i buy stuff that are
vinyl-only releases. and i have the shellac records. and a
whole lot of worn-out thrift store junk records, which are
great for sampling.


 

offline r40f from qrters tea party on 2004-12-08 21:58 [#01420160]
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since vinyl has a strong niche market, i don't think they'll
be gone forever.

on the other hand, audio cassettes are effectively being
phased out as we speak. fewer and fewer stores, for
instance, carry cassette decks. many boomboxes don't have
them.


 

offline Ophecks from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2004-12-08 22:29 [#01420168]
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I hope they never die, I love the big artwork and that saucy
smell. That said, they're totally worthless to me, as is
anything that involves moving my body/limbs to begin the
listening period.


 

offline Taxidermist from Black Grass on 2004-12-09 03:54 [#01420254]
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Just download it. If he refuses to release it in a format
you can use, don't feel bad about not giving him any money
for it. Music should be accessible, or it should be free.


 

offline vlari from beyond the valley of the LOLs on 2004-12-09 04:10 [#01420262]
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The thing about cd's are that over time, they will corrode
and become useful only as coasters. This deterioration is
speeded up if you don't take care of them. With vinyl, being
analog and such, does not lose it's information due
corrosion. We might see the vinyl version of a record
outlive it's cd counterpart given enough time.

This sucks quite a bit, since I have quite a lot of cd's,
and I hate the fact that I might have to buy another copy of
a record sometime in the future. As for my vinyl collection
I'm certain that they will last the rest of my life. To
prolong the lifespan of my vinyls I have begun to put all
new purchases onto my computer to cut down on the heavy play
they get right after I aqcuire them.

My verdict is that vinyl is still a strong contestant in the
format wars.


 

offline somejerk from south florida, US (United States) on 2004-12-09 06:46 [#01420312]
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i have tables and a few records, as well as a ton of cd's
and mp3's. many dj's prefer to use vinyl records, as they
can see and 'feel' the different parts of the tracks coming
up. now that i've been playing around with mixing for the
past couple months, i've come to really appreciate vinyl.

unfortunately, vinyl will disappear, as the price of the
material needed to make it is increasing and the demand for
vinyl is not.


 

offline giginger from Milky Beans (United Kingdom) on 2004-12-09 07:11 [#01420335]
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Vinyl is awesome. Sounds great but isn't as useful as a CD.
Can't tell what sounds better. Sometimes I think Vinyl and
sometimes I think CD.

OH NOES!


 

offline Drunken Mastah from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2004-12-09 07:14 [#01420339]
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vinyl will never disappear!


 

offline Inverted Whale from United States Minor Outlying Islands on 2004-12-09 07:39 [#01420362]
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I'm not sure. If you don't properly clean your records, the
simple act of playing them can damage them each time.
Cleaning is a real pain in the ass.

I think both CDs and records will last a long time when
stored in the case or sleeve in an upright position. The
killer of CDs is bright light and heat and the killer of
vinyl is dust and other gunk. Take your pick.


 

offline mashnote from mol (Belgium) on 2004-12-09 07:47 [#01420373]
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vinyl of course. i'm a vinyl geek and will spend months if
not years for a rare 7" on blue vinyl..(example)
and i rather look at all my vinyls on my shelfs than all
that plastic in the rack. love the bigger artwork too.

i don't think it will disappear. there are lots of kids
around here becoming more interested in buying vinyl.


 

offline vlari from beyond the valley of the LOLs on 2004-12-09 07:48 [#01420376]
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12" inches won't last long if you treat them like shit.

My vinyl preserving politics
Never touch the surface of the grooves, only the label and
edges.
Always put the record back in it's sleeve after playing it.

Have one of those vinyl brushes available, and use it!


 

offline mashnote from mol (Belgium) on 2004-12-09 07:53 [#01420383]
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vlari

i second that. don't have a good brush anymore though, need
to get one.
i HATE it when people come over, and take a record out and
put their hands all over it. luckily most of my friends are
vinyl junkies too.


 

offline qrter from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2004-12-09 08:08 [#01420409]
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and that's pretty much the pain of vinyl - every time I put
a record on, I get the feeling like I'm disarming a bomb.

it's not like I'm tossing around cd's, but you get my point.


 

offline mashnote from mol (Belgium) on 2004-12-09 08:33 [#01420456]
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vlari

i second that. don't have a good brush anymore though, need
to get one.
i HATE it when people come over, and take a record out and
put their hands all over it. luckily most of my friends are
vinyl junkies too.


 

offline mashnote from mol (Belgium) on 2004-12-09 08:34 [#01420458]
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sorry about the double post...dunno haw that happened.


 

offline Dannn_ from United Kingdom on 2004-12-09 08:49 [#01420466]
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Can't really be bothered with vinyl, there's hardly ever
anything I want that is vinyl only. I do like the biggness
of them though, you feel like you've actually bought an
object as well as the music.


 

offline earthleakage from tell the world you're winning on 2004-12-09 09:24 [#01420525]
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too right!


 

offline earthleakage from tell the world you're winning on 2004-12-09 09:25 [#01420529]
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are you saying you have limp wrists?


 

offline tragedy from Gloucester (United States) on 2004-12-09 09:34 [#01420543]
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vinal is such an ugly word... everything about it... even
the way it's spelled even tho it's not a real word.


 

offline virginpusher from County Clare on 2004-12-09 09:58 [#01420579]
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Also a new question. I have heard talk about people hearing
a difference between vinal and CD.

In all honesty i could see the same people that dont want to
let go of vinal saying that they can hear a difference. What
exactly do you listen for? Or is it overall quality


 

offline earthleakage from tell the world you're winning on 2004-12-09 09:58 [#01420581]
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i like to watch the label in the middle go round in circles


 

offline tolstoyed from the ocean on 2004-12-09 09:59 [#01420582]
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it sounds less mechanical on vinyl...i prefer cds though.


 

offline tolstoyed from the ocean on 2004-12-09 09:59 [#01420583]
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hahaha


 

offline virginpusher from County Clare on 2004-12-09 10:04 [#01420589]
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ha!

:D


 

offline weatheredstoner from same shit babes. (United States) on 2004-12-09 10:15 [#01420601]
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I'd love to respond to this topic but you keep spelling
vinyl wrong...

... ok i'm over it...

I dont buy vinyl because it has a higher quality sound over
CD's. The biggest format I use is mp3s, because its
convenient, small, etc... People tell me that they can hear
differences between vinyl and cd, but its not too
noticeable, at least not enough for me to care.

I do like vinyl more than CD's as I've stopped buying CD and
started buying way more vinyl. I agree with what others have
said about the bigger artwork, and its like you bought
something truly physical rather than a plastic disk with a
bunch of 1's and 0's on it...

I also agree with qrter, it is like disarming a bomb. I'm
very carefull to not touch the grooves and stick my fingers
only the outside/middle.

Plus I Dj and stuff, and I've thought about dj'ing with cd's
or mp3s, but its kinda lame imo, although only as a primary
dj tool. If anything, turntables will be primary, then maybe
a mp3 or cd player to mix in songs that I dont have on
vinyl.


 

offline virginpusher from County Clare on 2004-12-09 10:17 [#01420606]
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ahahah! I knew something looked wrong. damn!


 

offline qrter from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2004-12-09 10:19 [#01420608]
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oh man! the 2nd post already corrected that!

you don't even read your own threads man!!


 

offline qrter from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2004-12-09 10:20 [#01420609]
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I bet you'd like that.


 

offline tolstoyed from the ocean on 2004-12-09 10:21 [#01420613]
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i think he knew that since every post in here was to correct
that.


 

offline tolstoyed from the ocean on 2004-12-09 10:21 [#01420615]
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nicely formed that.


 

offline vlari from beyond the valley of the LOLs on 2004-12-09 10:22 [#01420617]
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A well cut 12" packs more punch in the low-end. But the most
noticable difference is with punk/hardcore records imo. The
treble and hi end on those are absolutely stunning and sound
way better than the cd version. The guitars sound almost
like they do at liveshows.


 

offline k_maty on 2004-12-09 10:34 [#01420641]
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Record your vinyl collection to cd-r's, then you have both.
Vinyl wins!


 

offline virginpusher from County Clare on 2004-12-09 10:35 [#01420646]
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I was way super tired when i made this thread, so when i
read it i just read vinyl. I didnt reall think about it
because my mind was scrammbled.

How embarassing!


 

offline r40f from qrters tea party on 2004-12-09 10:42 [#01420651]
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they sound different because records are mastered
differently from cds. they have to do stuff like eq the
bass so the needle doesn't jump out.

so when you have a record, you're supposed to play it
through some equipment to get everything sounding real
good.

they don't sound "better" than cd's - they sound different.


 

offline Ceri JC from Jefferson City (United States) on 2004-12-09 10:45 [#01420660]
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Yes, try playing modern dance music with a pronounced kick
drum on an old turntable and watch the needle skip in time
to the beat :-/


 

offline r40f from qrters tea party on 2004-12-09 11:20 [#01420729]
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well, maybe i'm wrong, but i thought most records were
mastered that way? all my rock records sound much different
from the cd's with the eq flat.


 

offline KADO from The Belafonte (United Kingdom) on 2004-12-09 11:52 [#01420788]
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Im one of those sad cases who can tell the difference in
sound between cd and vinyl, and pulling 12" out of your box
has more impact on the ladies....But it's just way too
expensive now, back in the early nineties you would pick up
tracks for £2 - £5; now on Average new singles are between
£5 - £10.

Vinyl may sound warmer and have more bollox when its cut
well but I now prefer to get value for money at Bleep.com.
its Asda price over there and I can burn as many copies as I
want so it never deteriorates.


 

offline dave_g from United Kingdom on 2004-12-09 12:20 [#01420831]
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Well, I have decks and tons of vinyl. I get my grubby
fingers all over the thing when scratching, and throw them
around quite a bit, perhaps less so with older records than
modern 12" singles. I hardly ever clean them.

I can touch and feel it, I can put my finger nail in the
groove and make my thumb make the music. I can look at the
grooves and SEE what the music is going to do(ideal for
DJs).
If I want it to stop, I can put my hand on it and stop the
rotation. I can spin it backwards. I can turn the motor off
and play it at whatever speed my hands can muster.

I can slow stuff down or speed it up with no DSP or CPU
processing, and it sounds GOOD when I do this, not aliased
and digitized.
Sometimes an old record will have hiss and pops, so what,
life isnt perfect. Humans hear through all that, it sounds
much more real than cds and as for dvd audio, yeah yeah
24/96, but it doesnt have the feeling. Vinyl is simple, and
elegant. It sounds more like life does. Out on the streets
there are constant distractions, some might say like the
hiss on vinyl, but life is still enjoyable, so are records,
get over it!

Think of valves / tubes. Its obsolete technology, yet you
can buy valve amps still, because they sound great....
Its exactly the same story with vinyl. Its simple, it works,
it sounds GREAT.


 

offline virginpusher from County Clare on 2004-12-09 12:24 [#01420836]
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Good point. See i've never really spun anything. I like the
hiss and pops on old records actually. Sounds real vintage
like!


 

offline vlari from beyond the valley of the LOLs on 2004-12-09 13:20 [#01420879]
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"Reading" vinyl is awesome!


 

offline Sido Dyas from a computer on 2004-12-09 13:36 [#01420885]
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I liek vinyl


 

offline Inverted Whale from United States Minor Outlying Islands on 2004-12-09 13:43 [#01420888]
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You are a budding Arthur G. Lintgen!


 


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