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Dannn_
from United Kingdom on 2004-12-07 14:07 [#01418452]
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So I wants a USB Midi controler keyboard. Basically for noodling on Reason, and in future for other stuff when and if I feel like it. As a beginner with all this, I had planned to go with the Oxygen8 because its cheap. It would now appear I will be aided in my purchase and hence prices over £150 might be acceptable.
What do you suggest? I could get Evolution MKs, Oxygen8, Radiums... I don't really know which one to choose. Or any other brands...
Guh?
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Dannn_
from United Kingdom on 2004-12-07 14:09 [#01418454]
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a shop wot sells them
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Dannn_
from United Kingdom on 2004-12-07 14:09 [#01418455]
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the people wot make them
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fleetmouse
from Horny for Truth on 2004-12-07 14:16 [#01418462]
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What kind of sound card do you have? If you have a piece of crap consumer card (Creative, or something abhorrent built onto your motherboard) you'll find it annoying to play software synths because you'll have a high latency - a delay between playing a note and hearing it.
You might want to get one of the ones that has a USB audio interface built in so you get a reasonable latency (10ms or less). The Ozone has an audio interface.
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horsefactory
from 💠 (United Kingdom) on 2004-12-07 14:24 [#01418466]
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I've got one of the Radium61s. It's awesome for messing around with stuff in cubase, and I recommends it, unless you want one with button controls. I can't see how they would be that useful though.
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Taxidermist
from Black Grass on 2004-12-07 14:41 [#01418474]
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I have used this one before. It costs between $200-$270 in places that I have shoped, and it is the one that I intend to buy this christmas. Its reliable, has 8 knobs, 8 sliders and 9 buttons, all assignable.
PCR-A30
I used to have a little knob unit that I used for reason and reaktor. It was a crap controller, that barely worked with my OS. It was always loosing communication with my computer and the software, but when it did work, it made all my automations sound more authenic, and it was easier to do all my knob tweaks... Controllers rock!!
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weatheredstoner
from same shit babes. (United States) on 2004-12-07 14:43 [#01418476]
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I have an oxygen8 and I have no problem with latency. It works fine for me and what I do...
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x0hx
from Lysdexia (United States) on 2004-12-07 14:50 [#01418478]
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New Badass Alesis-es Nice colors.
"It's like buying a car and losing your drivers license at the same time"
OK...
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_awt_
from Malmö (Sweden) on 2004-12-07 14:51 [#01418479]
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i have the radium49, i love it, it's a good size but sometimes i still feel that i should have gotten a 61 instead..
i dont think i would recommend the ozone simply becouse it has way too small amounts of keys.. i know you might not wanna use it for "playing" but theres a big risk that you will want to in the future, theres allso a big risk that you will want a better audio interface so i suggest buying another soundcard of some type (if you dont have one) you can get good soundcards these days for a really small amount of money, i got the audiophile 24/96, works very well and doesnt cost much at all (around 1200 dollars maybe) im not sure about the different values of the differnt cash types around the world..
anyway, make sure you try out whatever stuff your going to buy in the store first "get the feel"
good luck
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vlari
from beyond the valley of the LOLs on 2004-12-07 14:55 [#01418482]
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I might be buying an Oxygen8 in January. I think it will rock, and I'm looking forward to hooking up my tr-606 & tr-707 to the comp (I have put off buying an usb midi-interface for far to long), and give me the impetus to retrofit my PolySix and SH-09.
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vlari
from beyond the valley of the LOLs on 2004-12-07 14:57 [#01418485]
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...Until then I will Fav+ this and do a thourough research before acquiring said object.
Keep the recommendations coming!
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x0hx
from Lysdexia (United States) on 2004-12-07 15:00 [#01418489]
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Holy Shit, you can do that w/the Rolands?!
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vlari
from beyond the valley of the LOLs on 2004-12-07 15:05 [#01418491]
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When the 707 came out the MIDI was still quite fresh, so to appeal to the owners of older Roland gear they included a DIN-Sync option on it. So if you set the 707 as master, it will send both MIDI and analog sync signals to control the stuff. It's awesome :D
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vlari
from beyond the valley of the LOLs on 2004-12-07 15:09 [#01418493]
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And if you meant retrofitting, i meant buying a kit to the PolySix and solder it myself and getting one of those CV/Gate trigger thingies from Kenton for the SH-09 :)
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Dannn_
from United Kingdom on 2004-12-07 18:39 [#01418673]
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I want to use it with my iBook G4... I don't know but I suppose it has a crap sound card. I wanted to buy a firewire soundcard to get a second sound output, until I saw how expensive they are and I feel in way over my head with all this hardware. I don't understand anything about audio hardware. Plus I can't afford it, I don't know how you can call $1200
cheap.
I do already play keyboard just for the sake of playing so it would be cool to get a 61 key. Would I have a serious latency problem?
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stilaktive
from a place on 2004-12-07 19:07 [#01418699]
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i have an oxygen8 . its great, i can turn it round and use it in traktor using the fader as the crossfade and the knobs as filters. and it can fit in my backpack and seems alot more durable then the other controllers out there. its all plastic so it you dont feel bad when you knock it against something.
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_awt_
from Malmö (Sweden) on 2004-12-08 03:50 [#01418854]
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i know what you mean, it's hard to buy stuff.. especially as you want it cheap.. with quality.
perhaps you can skip the idea of a new soundcard for awhile and try out a midi controller/keyboard with your current soundcard ? it cant hurt, i know there are great free ASIO drivers avaidable that can really improve your latency even with a shitty crap soundcard.
Before i got myself an better soundcard i went from 27ms to 7! that's really nice.. think i got those drivers on a cd that came along with a studio magazine.
Hmm it's not easy =D im trying to think of something to say that might help you out but i cant =/ so good luck
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oyvinto
on 2004-12-08 04:51 [#01418877]
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i have the oxygen 8, but i'd rather like a type with more knobs. and i really don't use the keyboard much anyway. so next time i think i'll go for the Behringer BCR2000 with 32 knobs! :) or maybe the one with both knobs and faders.
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Dannn_
from United Kingdom on 2004-12-08 06:13 [#01418913]
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Thank you Mr _awt_. I guess i'll just get it now and then work on the sound card situation...
How come all the midi controllers are USB but the audio interfaces don't have a USB port? Would I just plug the controller into the normal port?
PS can someone give me £200
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vlari
from beyond the valley of the LOLs on 2005-01-27 12:44 [#01477677]
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I got a good deal for an Evolution MK-225C with a price of approx. £100. It's an older model of the MK-425C, but I guess it will do nicely. I'll probably pick it up tomorrow at my post office if it arrives, so I guess I'll give my verdict in a few days.
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stilaktive
from a place on 2005-01-27 12:47 [#01477680]
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how come my oxygen8 always leaves 2 midi notes over one another when i play stuff in cubase?
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thecrimsonguard
from ∞ (United States) on 2005-01-27 13:08 [#01477711]
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i've got the m-audio 61 semi weighted keyboard...and its great. now all i need is a good software sampler program so i can play piano on it...any suggestions on that?
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Dannn_
from United Kingdom on 2005-01-27 13:33 [#01477751]
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I got the Radium 61 in the end, I had to send it back because one of the keys didn't work, but the new one works and it seems all good so far.
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ilfed
from / (United Kingdom) on 2005-01-27 13:37 [#01477757]
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about the sound card thing, because of os x 'core audio' you probably won't need one. from native instruments:
________ Very Low Latency under Mac OS X
As we mentioned above, today's Mac sound chips, both for Mac OS 9 and escpecially those for Mac OS X, offer a good sound quality and very low latency. In most instances the latency is low enough to play musical instruments live without an audible delay. If, however, you want better sound quality, and more in- and output options than merely a stereo in/out, it's recommended that you acquire some sort of external audio card (via the FireWire or USB port).
__________
gr8.
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sadist
from the dark side of the moon on 2005-01-27 15:03 [#01477869]
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buy an evolution 449 one get it
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