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i appreciate all who take part in this survey. this is not a religious survey. 1) do you believe that bad events in your life are often balanced by a good or fulfilling event soon afterwards that either helps you rebound from the low moments or is triggered itself by the low moment? 2) do you believe that events, no matter how good or bad, happen for a specific reason and therefore have a consequential or positive reaction? 3) do you believe that when you show benevolence/belliegerence to another that the act triggers this person to do a positive/negative thing to someone else, thus triggering a domino effect, and vice versa? |
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1. no 2. no 3. no |
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1)no, i'd be nice though. 2)no. 3)hmm, depends on a person and situation i guess. |
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1, It's all chemical. it's only possible to experience so much pleasure or pain. 2, No 3, plausible, but depends on their character really. |
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no yes no |
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wheee!! discussion! |
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you might aswell have said, if you answer yes to any of these you believe in a god. |
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well, if 1) was true (which i wish it was) i'd have just brilliant time to the rest of my life. i don't think that's about to happen though.. 2)i think we can turn things for better if we want..not always though. 3)as jivverdicker said..depends on their character.. what's there to discuss really? :) |
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well, perhaps. but i'm not a religious person myself. |
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Have you seen that book about the probability of a God? It takes the usual disscusions/arguments and tries to quantify them. Getting numbers so you can mathmatically work it out. It was on radio 5 up all night a few weeks back.. |
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no sorry, ive got tippex all over my calculator saying "rick astley is gay" and "miss gamble is really fit" so ii have'nt been able to use it since school. |
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hahaha |
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miss gamble? fit? laughable. |
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1. no 2. no 3. it depends... ...but if you think about it, acting a certain way towards someone else can influence that person's actions, but it ultimately won't dictate their actions. so, if this domino effect should occur, it would be completely by coincidence, because each domino falls on its own accord. right? |
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the most difficult class in school was english. having a boner for 1 hour was really bloody distracting. |
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don't bite my styles r40f please. |
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all that sheakspeare talk got you excited? |
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hamlet, the mild cigar |
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Maths was the worst for me, our year had the best girls in it and they all sat near the window and my imagination played soo many tricks on their reflections. |
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yeah, but you looked forward to seeing your kestrel in your shed when you got back.. |
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1 moment 2 no 3 yes |
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Aww! I've got a screen print of Kes from my old school mate who does all that crap now. To be honest I was into knockers then...... |
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1) no. events need to be interpreted before they can be good or bad. 2) no. events happen necessarily, but it doesn't follow from this that there must be an underlying 'reason' for this necessity. 3) no. this presupposes a definition of positive/negative and that there is an underlying cause articulating effects. |
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thankyou mr. satre :) seriously though, religion is a great scapegoat for people not being acountable for their own actions.. |
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people only believe in fate when they are hoping to get some vagina action for the evening |
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then afterwards they change their mind |
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well, mr. sartre! you presuppose that there is such a thing as a subject responsible for what it "causes". being the cartesian that you are, you rely on a false causal inference yourself - all your subject amounts to is an ideal! |
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I'm sorry Korben but you've been doing this for years. Do you mean these quotes or do you believe them? |
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i hope that doesn't make sense because when I read it I just start thinking of more interesting things like nipples |
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Well, everyone knows Custer died at Little Bighorn. What this book presupposes is... maybe he didn't. |
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1 yes, but its something i consciously do. ill balance myself by taking stock after a bad event, and assess my new options. surviving a major error improves my outlook. 2 yes, i believe in causation. a cause is open to cause, and a cause (or sum of causes) will have an effect 3 yes, but as in question 1, a person has choice. yet take the example of a person who has been negatively conditioned since early childhood. it should come as no surprise if they inflict negative actions upon themselves or others |
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i wouldnt say that i believe in fate |
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You love jedi christ! I mean jesus christ. |
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i love has-been adult contemporary rockers |
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argh! hi john, you chess shark you! hows it going? well, im definately not going to bother arguing with you at this time of night, especuially with so much poison in my blood stream! :) enjoying summer? :) doh! it's fucking freezing here! |
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jivver. if you want, the "no" answers are my "beliefs" ... the other stuff doesn't really concern beliefs so much, but more trying think out loud some fundamental presuppositions which frame the whole question. here's a quote for you though: "Mohammedan fatalism embodies the fundamental error of setting man and fate over and against one another as two separate things: man, it says, can resist fate and seek to frustrate it, but in the end it always carries off the victory; so that the most reasonable thing to do is to resign oneself or to live just as one pleases. In reality every man is himself a piece of fate; when he thinks to resist fate in the way suggested, it is precisely fate that is here fulfilling itself; the struggle is imaginary, but so is the proposed resignation to fate; all thes imaginings are enclosed within fate. ..."- Nietzsche |
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hey dobbin yeah we ought to play that chess again. the sun is high in the sky at 630am and its hot by 9. well be having sprinkler bans for sure .. our reservoirs have been almost empty for the past couple of years. it gets worse every year! youre right tho i ought to have a swim while im off work. |
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there is no presuppose from me, but there might have been parody, irony, and/or sarcasm. but i'll leave it up to you to work out which combination it at the time i typed it. as for you cartesian own presupposition, stick it where your elitist diction wearing small penis inferior anti-snobbery gism in the mouth salty bulshit up your ass. get a kick out of this? you fucking moron. you don't get it. plenty of people here downplay their own intelligence for fun as a relaxant. or is this the kind of reply that makes your dick hard? |
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that quote leaves out one thing - what makes him think that fate exists? he has pointed out the obvious - that by its definition, fate is unavoidable, etc. but that doesn't prove that it actually exists in any way - it merely explains the concept. |
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1- No. It seems that way sometimes, but that's just the luck of the draw. Maybe I'm lucky enough for things not to be bad ALL the time, but others aren't. Some of us get absolutely, 100% fucked. It's not fate that prevents me personally from having something fatally horrible to me, just blind, dumb luck. Most bad things that happen to me can be attributed to my flaws, and the ones that can't, well... can be overcome, but the onus is on me. 2- No. I think it's random and meaningless. Events happen because you made it possible for them to happen, put yourself in that position, one way or another. Or somebody/something else that is connected directly or indirectly to you did. You create your own meaning and context for them, good or bad. There's no ''reason'', but there are a million reasons. 3- Well... yes and no. It's nothing supernatural, divine or magical... normally how we shape someone is generally under our control. You do as we wish to others, they do unto us. We, they, not fate. |
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I really dont know... I do think we have some say in how our lives unfold... Maybe I'm just being optimistic... |
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i don't believe in fate - and even if fate existed, what would it change? even if your whole life was "written", if you don't know what is "written" it shouldn't change a thing for you... you'd still continue to live the way you do, it would make no difference. if you knew, then yes... it would make a big difference and life would be kind of terrible (not mentioning migraine- and/or depression-inducing), an absolute prison. fate is an excuse to do nothing and a way to get depressed. |
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can I change to: no no no |
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Any fool can look at the past and say that such and such was fated to happen. You can also toss a pack of playing cards on the floor and say that that particular arrangement was inevitable. Is everything predetermined? Even a God must have doubts about that - it seems to be a recursive question that asks itself at every successive level of "authority" that can be imagined. |
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No, I'm not an idiot. |
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i believe in a sorrt of fate. alot of people arre borrn into a rrole and no amount of trrying etc... can change that. |
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haha ... earthleakage, thank you for your parody, irony, sarcasm and above all concern. i think you're right, i don't think i do get it. but then i don't know if i would want to get it - because it doesn't seem to be much more than a coat made of wool. r40f: well yes you're right, but then it cuts both ways. does it need to exist for you to believe in it? seeing it is unfalsifiable - all it can come down to is belief (psychology). it's obvious, but often overlooked (?) fleetmouse: N's thing is more like necessary chaos, so its indeterminate and not predetermined ... it basically gets rid of the "what if" and is a type of realism (because it affirms everything that has happened and will happen). |
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no but i'd like to. no but i'd like to. no but i'd like to. so I act as if I believed that |
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