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ArchRival on 2002-01-29 07:28 [#00075957] | |||||||||
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Everybody fronts on Drukqs and praising Confield...its like Autechre be the GODs of this electronic scene. Nobody can front on them or u get snuffed the fuck out. I mean a lot of the stuff on Confield aint even what I consider music (art my ass). I know Im going to get burnt for this but Autechre made a big mistake by releasing Confield aka annoying noize on wax. |
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Xanatos from NYC on 2002-01-29 07:44 [#00075959] | |||||||||
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I think most of Autechre is "noize on wax" I could easily put all the Autechre tracks I like on one CD (and I've heard most of it), granted it would be a damn good CD. I could probably put all the tracks on drukqs I like on one CD too, but then again, thats just one album. Point is, I agree...keep in mind though, its not AE gettin away with it, people have higher expectations for RDJ than any artist in the world... |
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m on 2002-01-29 08:01 [#00075963] | |||||||||
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it's lla subjective, you're taste sucks, that's all. |
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Archrival on 2002-01-29 12:30 [#00075981] | |||||||||
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I love LP5, Amber, some of EP7, Incunabula, the garbage ep (because it has Vietrmx21), Tri Repetaee, Chiastic Slide etc but Confield was WACK, wack, wack imo. I had high expectations and what did I get....some noise put on cd. I hate that album with passion and I love LP5 with passion. Ofcourse AFX have also made some WACK ass releases like classics, AB4 etc Who feelin me? Is there anyone outthere who hates confield? |
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Archrival on 2002-01-29 12:32 [#00075982] | |||||||||
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afterall I just want these wankers to realize that Confield sucked :) Autechre rules anyway. |
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gy from world on 2002-01-29 12:38 [#00075983] | |||||||||
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Confield is their best cd and so they both mean. LP5 really is cheap |
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Phobiazero from Sweden on 2002-01-29 12:54 [#00075986] | |||||||||
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I disagree. Confield is excellent IMO, especially Cfern and Pen Expers. :-) It's about taste, man! |
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jand from Essex on 2002-01-29 12:57 [#00075988] | |||||||||
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Who the fuck would wanna be an IDM artist?... If you do stuff that's similar to your old stuff, you get dragged to the stocks... If you stuff that's different to your old stuff, ditto ditto ditto... I think Confield is a valid part of journey that is AE...I know it's grown on me & I really had problems with it to start with... overall I think you have to get out of the mindset that an artists latest release is their definitive work...and more part of ongrowing process of evolution & growth... |
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Ironlung from the basement of the ALAMO on 2002-01-29 13:10 [#00075991] | |||||||||
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I LOVE Autechre.....Almost more Than RDJ. You could look at Autechre's albums as different floors in an art gallery...Each floor, starting from the bottom (first album), grows with more expieremental and creepy sounds. Confield opened a new door for AE and there is no looking back. I have to say it, Confield may be their best album yet. IMO |
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Phobiazero from Sweden on 2002-01-29 13:14 [#00075993] | |||||||||
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My fav Ae album is stll LP5, even tho I'm listening to Confield more that Drukqs at the moment. What about that? |
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Ironlung from the basement of the ALAMO on 2002-01-29 13:16 [#00075994] | |||||||||
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I also have not taken Confield out of my CD player since it came out....All other 4 slots are in rotation.... |
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Narkotic from stupid american on 2002-01-29 13:37 [#00075999] | |||||||||
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i'm with ya phob... i also tend to like uviol, one of the noiseist tracks |
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gavistimo on 2002-01-29 14:24 [#00076009] | |||||||||
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Chiastic Slide is Autechre`s best album. confield is abrasive but i like it, especially Parhelic Triangle. Druqks is kewl, but there is too much filler shit, left over from his atari St days. Track ten is well tasty though. A rousing flurry of synths and breakbeats. ah blisss... |
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canerfold from minneappleseed on 2002-01-29 14:39 [#00076010] | |||||||||
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Whether you like it or not how could you say they made a mistake? I mean, it has nothing to do with you, or me... |
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canerfold from minneappleseed on 2002-01-29 14:45 [#00076011] | |||||||||
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to enjoy confield just listen to it without bias. im sick of people whining about "it doesn't do the same thing for me as other music i like, why can't autechre stop moving." who cares if an artist you like doesn't make a new best album with every release. i love confield. you don't have to. im tired of people's complaints. if you would rather hear something else then don't listen and make your own music; make what you want to hear and stop bitching. that is what Ae are doing after all. they couldn't care less what you think about it. |
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ken from ken on 2002-01-29 15:34 [#00076020] | |||||||||
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i think confield is there most adventurous, mature work to date 9not the rest of the backcatalogue isnt mature)-i really cant understand why its offended, so many!!-talk to some folk about confield and they get really angry as if ae has let them down!!??? i just dont get it- the more i listen to that album the i notice more beauty and intricacy-its a fantastic recording. |
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ken from ken on 2002-01-29 15:36 [#00076023] | |||||||||
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dont get it archrival-why is someone a 'wanker' just by showing a preferance? thats a bit of an immature attitude eh? |
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Ophecks from Nova Scotia on 2002-01-29 16:09 [#00076027] | |||||||||
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I think AE is overrated. They're not even in the same LEAGUE as RDJ, yet some people think they're God's gift to music. I love AE... I even love Confield... but discovering and hearing all AE's stuff hasn't been NEARLY as fun or entertaining as with the Twin, or even Squarepusher. |
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Phobiazero from Sweden on 2002-01-29 16:18 [#00076031] | |||||||||
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Confield will grow on you. Many are getting scared after the first listen. |
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recycle from lincoln.ne on 2002-01-29 16:23 [#00076035] | |||||||||
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thats exacly what i said when confield came out---------it was a scarry album, but its still great i personally love the double album tri-repeatre+ |
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laughable butane bobby on 2002-01-29 17:19 [#00076049] | |||||||||
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a lot of people in the so-called 'idm' (stupid label) genre, are just like rock fans, people tend to want to hear the same thing over and over. i've read that people say that Amber was the greatest album ever, but that Confield is total shit. Or that Alberto balsalm was the greatest fucking track ever while Ventolin and Aphex Airlines were the worst shit ever, like Richard would RDJ even release such total shit. To me, all these tracks seem to fit the character of the artists, and Aphex and Autechre and squarepusher would seem incomplete without hearing all their different sides. what i find so very odd is that people like to brag and label themselves, that they like non-mainstream experimental music, and bash "commercial" acts as boring and sell-outs, but then get disturbed when Autechre and Aphex try something different, like it is too experimental or dismiss it after one listen as total shit. if you claim to love these artists, at least try to understand what they are trying to do, and face up to the unpleasant reality that the world does revolve around your ego. |
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Narkotic from stupid american on 2002-01-29 17:20 [#00076050] | |||||||||
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good man, my thoughts exactly |
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The_Funkmaster from Newfoundland, Canada on 2002-01-29 21:44 [#00076113] | |||||||||
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personally what I've heard by Autechre is much more exciting then Aphex Twin... I'm just starting to get into their music, but Chiastic Slide is one of my favorite albums... but it's all about taste... |
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The_Funkmaster from Newfoundland, Canada on 2002-01-29 21:47 [#00076115] | |||||||||
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Autechre is pretty extreme though... like I've told my sister (who hates all my music :) ), Autechre makes Aphex Twin sound like pop music... and I think that's true... not taking anything away from Aphex Twin, cause that's not how I mean it... Aphex Twin, who I love, has been very innovative, but he always uses beautiful melodies which are usually pretty much out front... whereas Autechre are more subtle... I don't know, I just find Autechre more exciting, but Aphex Twin's music is very emotional... but they really are hard to compare I think, cause their music is so different... |
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Netlon Sentinel from yurp on 2002-01-29 21:59 [#00076120] | |||||||||
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all i can say about confield is that it still keeps surprising and thrilling me. and i can't say the same for drukqs, although drukqs does have excellent songs on it. just not as deep as confield's songs. but it's a poor comparison anyway. 9 songs vs 30 songs, for example :) |
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titsworth_courier from washington, dc on 2002-01-29 22:28 [#00076134] | |||||||||
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there're a lot of people (some even on this mb) who seem to just praise whatever ae put out cos they're not over exposed like afx (yet; thom yorke is getting them there). for my tastes ae aren't as good musicians as richard and their tracks don't interest me as much. everyone here knows i love drukqs. but i love confield too. it's the most alien sounding thing i've ever heard, and i've heard a lot. it's not just noise to me, though i would call it "noisey". it's brilliantly programmed, the beats are just pretty brutal on the ears. ep7 is like confield but with less intricate programming and more melody (confield basically has no melody, which is admirable for a cd but not necessarily for a whole catalogue of music. thankfully they've made some great melodies too.). so i wouldn't say confield is ae getting away with it, it's just not for everyone. |
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Ross on 2002-01-29 23:45 [#00076154] | |||||||||
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i hated what i heard of confield when it came out, but i'm almost considering buying it now to challenge myself to get into it..nothing like getting an album and despising it only to love it later, though i really like one or two tracks i heard from it.. |
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umbriel from quebec...the old on 2002-01-30 00:01 [#00076155] | |||||||||
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i havent heard confield yet. i agree with ophecks. i find autechre to be a repetitive too. i like the fact that their sounds are noisy and unreal/surreal, but the way the build their beats... you can so see it coming msot of the time, its too predictable, repetitive, you can see where they are going. i fucking hope mr. james will get more and more exposion. i know some people are annoyed by the fact hes a bit less underground then where he used to be only a few years ago but i think its great like that, as long as he keeps being authentic. i ADORE his music so much. he can actually put together a track with no head or tail that still sounds totally coherent. like modern music, like schoenberg with his dodecaphonics (sp?) some people cant hear it, some others can hear the logic in it, the beauty in it. ok i think im off topic a bit now :) |
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Quadrapelegicrobotikev from mp3.com/quadrapelegicrobotik on 2002-01-30 00:44 [#00076159] | |||||||||
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confield did suck highly, just blasted noise pollution |
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Monoid on 2002-01-30 00:46 [#00076161] | |||||||||
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Confield is great, really it is. Listen to some Scratch pet land & Lithops if you want some REAL far out stuff, and than compare it to Confield ! |
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kryocera3 from Dallas,Texas (Plano) on 2002-01-30 01:24 [#00076172] | |||||||||
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unfortunatly i havent experienced confield yet, but drukQs yes. And all I can say is that one day everyone will come realize how great it really is. |
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kryocera3 from Dallas,Texas (Plano) on 2002-01-30 01:31 [#00076175] | |||||||||
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right on umbriel |
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The_Funkmaster from Newfoundland, Canada on 2002-01-30 02:05 [#00076181] | |||||||||
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yeah, I'm listening to ICBYD, and it's excellent... but in a different way then Chiastic Slide in my view... This album is very melodic, very dense, and stuff, and it's pretty freaking cool the way he places SAWII worthy synth lines on top of brutal percussion work... This was my first, well not first, best introduction to this method of APhex Twins... it's awesome the way it works together... Autechre are just totally different, their music is so cool... it just sounds experimental, and unorthodox, and it's awesome in that way... so yeah, I like both for different reasons... I hope that made some sense, and stayed on topic... |
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conacure from Alaska on 2002-01-30 03:48 [#00076210] | |||||||||
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Confield is literally the only CD i listen to most of the time, but on an acute scale, i find the Ae and Aphex are too distinct for drawing a rational comparison. |
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canerfold from minneappleseed on 2002-01-30 03:59 [#00076213] | |||||||||
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To those that are stating that they like one, but the other is a better musician, or anything similar, I just have to say that it's not about better or worse. It's a personal thing, ya know? This person is looking for this kind of indulgence in his musical experience and they find it in some album and it hits the spot so they think the artist is the greatest. Truth is, both Autechre and RDJ are masters at what they do, which are so completely different when compared together against nothing else. |
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canerfold from minneappleseed on 2002-01-30 04:02 [#00076214] | |||||||||
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And about autechre being repetative, don't you think aphex has done some pretty repetative stuff himself? Repetition aint the factor. |
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Bogus on 2002-01-30 05:43 [#00076232] | |||||||||
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i listened confield and only 1 of the tracks is worth listening to.. and it's not such a great thing anyway. track 3 or 4 something like that |
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umbriel from quebec...the old on 2002-01-30 05:47 [#00076233] | |||||||||
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i think it goes way beyond this whole "you think hes better than the other one but its still just an opinion". its not because we have opinions that it is a bad thing to expose them and try to express them in the closest way possible. how do you talk about music, all other things? about being repetitive. i think you took my comment out of context. usually, i dont like autrechres repetitiveness because i keep thinking about it and knowing when the changes are coming. i cannot get totally absorbed by it. i shouldnt have compared directly mr.james and ae. that wasnt my intention...i guess i got a bit caried away :) but i still think it is ok to compare musicians, as long as you do it in a correct way, with open-mindness (sp?) and an actual desire to discuss, exchange, and not just shovle around your thoughts and all. sorry for ranting a bit |
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ArchRival on 2002-01-30 07:14 [#00076254] | |||||||||
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OOooh YEah I love it!!!! :) I knew I would get snuffed out for that statement...Uvivol is a good track, maybe the best on that album. Can someone say whats good about the album? |
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m on 2002-01-30 07:16 [#00076257] | |||||||||
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if you like autechre's intricate stuff you'll probably definately like crunch probably. and otto von schirach 8000bc |
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ArchRival on 2002-01-30 07:16 [#00076258] | |||||||||
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where the confield haters at!!!! .) |
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m on 2002-01-30 07:30 [#00076264] | |||||||||
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i like lp5, ep7 and chichlisuite over confield, and maybe peelsessions2 and tri rep. confield wasn't finished sounding to me. I like crunch better than confield definately. but still it was a great group of tracks, especially num. 6. |
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ken from ken on 2002-01-30 09:17 [#00076276] | |||||||||
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the last two tracks i think are genius...and the first one is well complex in its programming-how the fuck did they do that!!!??? |
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Taxi on 2002-01-30 10:05 [#00076338] | |||||||||
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Autechre has an attention to detail that Afx doesn't have. |
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E-man from Noitac ol on 2002-01-30 10:33 [#00076343] | |||||||||
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Sorry to say that I think you're wrong Taxi, I usually agree with what you say, but the fact is that if you said that you aren't listening well or with good headphones( it seems that everybody say that nowadays...) aphex just hide the details of his music more. Not saying he's better. I think Autechre are 'better' only because they have pushed their sound further toward perfection while aphex changes too much to perfect one of his type of sounds... Hope it's clear 'caus my english... ;-) |
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nacmat from spain on 2002-01-30 10:35 [#00076344] | |||||||||
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I first bought tri repeate and i liked it so much that then i got incunabula, amber, chiastic slide, lp5 ep7 and finally confield... and i like and enjoy them so much that i have bought at the amazon.co.uk these: Cichlisuite Anvil Vapre Envane Garbage Anti Basscadet The Peel Sessions Vol.1 The Peel Sessions Vol.2 i love AE they are incredible i cant stop playing their music (except to play rdj) |
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Taxi on 2002-01-30 10:36 [#00076345] | |||||||||
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Its ok. You are allowed to disagree with me. I donno. Listen to some of the production work by afx, specially the earlier stuff. I think it can get pretty sloppy, where autechre's is usually flawless. |
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titsworth_courier from washington, dc on 2002-01-30 15:20 [#00076392] | |||||||||
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i like the cultural universality of idm. whether you speak portuguese or japanese, you can enjoy it equally as someone in new york city. |
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zmalloc from somewhere...out there on 2002-01-30 16:20 [#00076405] | |||||||||
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the first track on confield sounds like applied a randomizer to all the variables of the sound(pan,pitch,step,adsr), probably had limitations synced to a knob, and synced the tempo to a knob. I can't imagine any rational human programming that track step by step |
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canerfold from minneappleseed on 2002-01-30 19:47 [#00076585] | |||||||||
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I think I understand what your saying umbriel, but I still have to disagree. How exactly do you judge who's a better artist? The 'better artist doesn't exist, only the personally prefered one. I just think it sounds silly to say someone is better because you know you are basing it on something abstract, not numbers that can be compared. Is Jimi Hendrix better than Beethoven because he plays guitar better, or worse because he utilizes less instruments and textures than B's symphonies? Personally, I like ae much more than RDJ, but there are plenty of times when I have to listen to nothing other than Aphex. Of course it's ok to compare artists! I just think there are more engaging methods of comparison than naming the that is the better artist. And you are doing that with your descriptions of why you dislike ae. I never found ae to be repetative or predictable. They often build to a change and you know something is going to go some direction, but I don't know which direction or exactly when (due to the strange time signatures probably). Some of their music has a lot of subtle intricacies(sp?) and that's one of the reasond get into them. Confield is a little more in your face which as much surface variation as the subtle variations. It feels quite alien to me and the moods it brings on are sort of unknown to me and confusing which I like. It sounds fresh like new territory, which it is. That's why I like it. |
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