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i'm not much of a thinker but i've obtained a great affinity for it. it gives me a real sense of worth on this otherwise useless planet. |
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i'm not a hardcore conservative, but kerry's record on weapons defense system is disheartening to tell you the truth. and instead of trying to find support from other xltronic members who are biased as is. try to understand where other people come from you might learn something. |
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weapons defense system didn't prevent us from getting attacked on 9/11, and it wouldn't have. |
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yeah but its not only that. his core principles i feel inhibit him from making good decisions in a time of war. he has no conviction, you should know he's taken so many stances on this war that boogles the mind. i'm not a hardcore bush fan, i'm not republican or democrat but i feel kerry is a dunce. all he's ever been known for is failing to support the republicans by not voting for the nuclear freeze in the 80's to stop the russians (evil empire). then there was his activism in the 70's which infact prolonged the vietnam war. i could go on and on. i just dont like the guy. |
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Well I'm not voting for him anyways, so there's no point in me arguing. |
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Heh, boogles. |
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why not? |
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1. Basically he will hardly be different than Bush. |
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i believe kerry is a better candidate when it comes to dealing with economical issues. i also believe he'll cut the deficit alot quicker than bush by increasing taxes to not only the top percent but those underneath as well. bush is one of the largest spenders no doubt. this election i think its going to come down to whether or not people feel theres a terrorist threat out there, because without it bush is expendable. |
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whats funny is we're going to get attacked again irregardless of who gets elected. |
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Well I'm voting for Michael Badnarik. |
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ah yes, the libertarian. i might do something along those lines since i live in the beautiful state of virginia that will go republican whether i vote kerry or not. how i love the electoral college and the way it makes my vote completely irrelevant. |
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the liberaterian fellow, dont know much about him but there are those who are liberaterian republicans. i'm not sure if he's one of them. |
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libertarian* |
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time of war. i wish boats and planes would show up at your country and kill the shit out of the united states of america. hey, if i changed 'the united states of america' to a different country then you wouldn't be angry. |
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I believe its the opposite, you vote for the bogus (not-bogus) candidate if your state is definately going with the candidate you want, not the other way around, you goof. I'm hardcore libertarian myself but I'm gunna vote for kerry cause I'm not so sure about my state. |
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you don't get it. my state has voted republican for the last fifty years. voting kerry isn't going to do any good, its still going to go republican. its just the way it is. of course, thats only because everyone thinks that way and then votes the bogus candidate, but fuck it, i'm sticking with my principles and voting for a third party, maybe. maybe not. fuck. |
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I used to be a libertarian. Anarchist that is. Libertarianism is a religion promulgated by guns and death. (As seen in the so-called "Zero Aggression Axiom") |
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Fuck Bush and all his bible-banging cohorts! Fundamentalist Fuck-heads is all they are; especially John Ashcroft. I'd tell you what demise I'd like him to suffer, but I'd probably have his agents busting down my door this morning. I can't imagine how much more fucked up everything will be, if we have to suffer through another four years of that redneck douce bag as our president. |
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All of my knowledge about the United States of America comes from what I read, watch, and hear, and is thus a combination of media and other people’s experiences, as are all things; I consider the United States of America to be a threat on society, a bully to the world, an arrogant behemoth which enforces its laws and values on the world and wishes to be the only country with weapons of mass destruction; there is absolutely nothing redeeming about the United States of America, which is NOT a democracy, which is NOT aiding the world, which abuses religion and manipulates its people on a daily basis. |
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scup_bucket; suck it up and vote for who you REALLY would like to be president. |
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haha i saw this amazing banner somewhere, im gonna make a thread about it |
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in a time of war you fucking idiot. you guys started it in the first place |
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yeah, that's what i'm saying. |
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never mind him, hes possibly the most ignorant person to walk the xltronic |
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I`m sorry to point this out, but you seem to spout a lot of nonsense. You define the Soviet Union to be an evil empire. What gives you the right to define good and evil? The arrogance is astounding. It seems to be an inherently American thing, whereby you are the "good" guys, and anyone who is disagrees is "evil." France is evil because they didn`t agree with US. Germany is evil because they learned their lesson not to get involved in another crazy war like US. etc etc. Then you make the ridiculous claim that anti-war activism during Vietnam prolonged the war. No, insane American, paranoid over-militarized foreign policy prolonged that war. At least provide some evidence to back up your soundbites, instead of mouthing off. Neutral evidence. Non-subjective evidence. Not some hateful rant column in some bordering-on-fascist "essay: neo-conservative vision for the world" or suchlike. xox |
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It would also be a good idea to watch 'The Power Of Nightmares' on BBC2, if at all possible. |
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Aye, I saw that. Wolfiwitz and co. Complete gangsters. |
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pepsi oder coke? burger king oder MCDonald´s? bush oder kerry? worthless discussion. |
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about time |
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It were good that. Neo-cons = islamic fundamentalists...? |
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I would support George bush mainly because he makes me laugh, not because of his politics or anything. (probably a bad view) My political lecturer on Deleuze at university doesn't vote, she believes there should be an open arena for debate, not some guy who u vote in to represent the entire country. Fair point i guess, but nothing would get done if millions of people were deciding something |
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Well Kerry has said that the US needs to lead the world on dissarmament, instead of producing more nuclear weapons (bunker busters). If only for that and Stem Cell research he would get my vote over Bush. Bush has 'nothing' going for him. |
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do you believe its people are such as well? that is the most ignorant and naive thing ive ever heard. basically you are blaiming the US for all of the worlds problems, and you imply that its people are also to blame. i see no difference between the US and any other powerful nation, in fact, the only difference is that the US gets lambasted for being open about its hold of power, where as the other first world nations do exactly the same thing, but do so, quietly. dont get me wrong, the US has done irreparable damage to many countries, but i would never demonize the US, as a whole, for its actions. |
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bush is a complete cunt, everyone on eath knows that. he could have been a great chief during middle-ages (god gave me the power, axes of evil, with us or against us) but now its 2k4, sorry but i cant understand how anyone can trust this liar who thinks the greatest philosopher is jesus christ. btw: thanx to bush & his war on iraq, usa is the most hated country in the world (which is not fair but...) |
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also, when bush jr speaks, its an insult to my intelligence, an insult to the intelligence of everyone who read a whole book in his life (i'm not talkin' about the bible) |
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yes, but i think everyone places too much importance on the job of president of the united states of america the position is described as the commander in chief, not the leader of the united states, really, the pres of the us does not hold too much power when you think about it, people really make too much of a big deal about who has this position. |
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maybe america does get too much stick, maybe not? the media usually don't present the entire truth, things get exagerated, ignored, or they just work on assumptions most of the time. So who really knows what happens in Iraq, who really knows what G bush jnr does? All we know is what the media tell us, (and in somecase the polticians have good control of the media.....fox?)(im from the Uk, so i cld be wrong) I'm sure the USA have done some good things in Iraq, and I'm sure they've done some bad. (all the other countries helping out included) but all we get told is what the media filters through, all the media cares about is viewing figures and $$$$, so why should we believe them? (I presume this is where everyone bases most of their facts) |
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you make a really good point, todays history class is the media, which historically is the worst place to get the facts. but, unfortunately its the easiest way to get information. |
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Politicians don't control Fox News at all, it's right wing bias is of it's own making. |
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fox news is ideoligically controlled by a right wing rehetoric. they "choose" to be right wing, but in reality, they fall in line like the rest of popular media. |
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I watch GMTV, i don't know why, but I do it probably cos i'm still asleep at that time. Some of the facts are so crazy it becomes funny, they could host a programme on a cat getting fleas and make it into something super serious that need urgent national attention. If there is no story, BAM lets scare some people, or if the stroy isn't interesting enough, lets scare even more people. It is true tho, the media is such an accessible source we all do it. It is slowly forming and changing our opinions. At least here its a two way thing, so we get a debate. Much better than someone telling you who to hate, or who is wrong etc.... |
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like i say Im in the UK so i don't know, (I guess this is an example of using the media to assume things, doh! eg i got that from mr moore 9/11 where at the start he mentioned something about Georgie B being related to some important guy at Fox) |
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throw your vote away and vote for the third party candidate! seriously though, Bush is an idiot... he should not be president! |
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toooooo true. vote for the bum party. |
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bush is in bed with the executives of clearchannel, who control most if not all of the media the average american experiences. most news media is political pundits speaking on behalf of one of two parties. thats all "debate" shows are, its all the news channels are. cnn is largely conservative in bias, fox news is obvious. the sad thing is that americans get almost all of their news, if they get any, from television, which is the worst possible place to get it from. |
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I have officially declared that my block is seceeding from the United States. |
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you're right -- it's not just the power, it's the arrogance. |
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yes, every single american is very very arrogant, and we all agree 100% with what is going on in the world, and there is not a goddamn thing anyone, from outside the us, can do about it, REELECT BUSH! another 4 years, is our battle cry. |
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he won't be any different from bush? he doesn't have deeply rooted fundamentalist christian beliefs and a bunch of fucking neo-conservatives controlling him like a puppet for god's sake |
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