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is the universe predetermined, like, the fact that i wont eat a peanut butter sandwich tomorrow could have been.. calculated or known at the beginning of the big bang, or do we have a free will? for example if i decide to eat a peanut butter thing tomorrow after all (itll kill me, im allergic to peanuts), did i do that on purpose, or is everything just a logical cause of whatever caused those gazillions of kilos of matter to .. appear? your toughts! |
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that depends. |
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string theory |
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Not in this instance. |
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my thoughts? they are not on either black or white, but in the greys. of course, causality exists (if you light a candle with the match, the candle got lit because you put the match near it and so-on), but there is also free will and randomness.. for example, with you eating the peanut.. you have the will to decide.. no-one decided from the start of the universe if you eat the peanut or not. However, the free will is not as free as we think it to be.. we've always been conditioned by society and everyone around us to react differently to certain things and certain conditions (if someone is giving someone else a shitbath in the street while fisting themselves, most of us would react with being appaled, but if this was a normal occurence in society, it would be.. "normal," and we wouldn't think much of it... this applies to many things, and most of them are not as extreme as that example, but extreme examples give more impact.). Then there are physical limitations (when you get cold you want to go someplace hotter, and you actually can't fly). |
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i think practically speaking... no it isn't pre-determined. and if it is, current technologies cannot prove it since they reside in the same spacetime as the thing they are trying to prove. However, if one was able to step outside our linear cause/effect universe and into the total universe of strings and membranes and N dimensionalness, one could probably find a predetermianility does exist due to some inherent nature of the multiverse. - but ultimatelly it will probably prove as irrelevant to us mere 4th dimensional entities as afx's music is to an ant. deep shit |
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collapse of the wave function, holistic universe? I think the thing is, we are part of the universe, so we can say it's deterministic, but we could never determine it ourselves. wave/partical duality is pretty strange though. |
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a Monoid-thread not made my Monoid.. ..intriguing. |
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I'm not sure how much of the process of consciousness takes place within the uncertainty principal, but I was under the impression that it's not that complex; so for practical purposes, I'd say people don't have free will. |
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Monoid himself made my Monoid, he's in storage at the moment though. |
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surely it would be possible for every single action, event, thought etc... to be summed up in one single mathmatical equation, even if it is just to complex for the human mind to comprehend |
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yeah, it's 0/0 |
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no. |
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? seriously is that a joke? |
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haha ive always wanted a share of monoidness myself but im serious for once (and not depressed because my sex life is non existant) suppose creation went like this: Nothing, BOOM, elementary particle soup, self concious humans. now my point is: is all what has been, is, and will be, every single oscillation of every atom and particle in the universe, something that is just a logical cause of this explosion of energy and matter, or is there something that allows us to choose our own adventures? now religion comes about, another way to put it is 'do we have a soul?' (im not so happy about that question) is there something that allows us to .. break away from the logical causes of the big bang? of course, causality exists (if you light a candle with the match, the candle got lit because you put the match near it and so-on), but there is also free will and randomness.. for example, with you eating the peanut.. you have the will to decide.. no-one decided from the start of the universe if you eat the peanut or not. However, the free will is not as free as we think it to be.. we've always been conditioned by society and everyone around us to react differently to certain things and certain conditions the randomness you speak of COULD be just a cause. If we have a free will however, we are able to change the entire universe - or at least thats what i can make of chaos theory - without knowing it, so the universe becomes more and more unpredictable as soon as humans got more and more self aware (this of course makes you wonder about alien species) kick me if that was incoherent (if you care), im ranting |
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for people that read this, do you get my point? |
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yes, i understand what you're saying. this thread is very interesting. i think you should all watch this film: it will straighten you all right out. |
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hahaha im at the point where i believe there is no answer, and i should just make the best of it all my philosophical rants end in that |
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free willy? what a load of pish |
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philosophy is more about asking questions, isn't it? not so much about actually finding answers (it's nice if they can be found, but the asking itself is most important)? |
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here is me being philosophical? |
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pointless but it keeps you going too bad there isnt much money to be made with philosophingeringernoneronek,. |
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thanks, that helped a lot! |
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..glad i could help.. |
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chaos |
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Can you separate self-awareness and free will? If all things are predetermined then all thoughts are as well. This would mean that there is no real learning or discovery. Nothing true, nothing false. Logic does not really exist. But this conclusion attacks the foundation of all arguments including this one. |
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Good point. Our freedom isn't absolute. |
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everything has its cause so yes, in theory it is possible to determine what you may eat tomorrow. that doesn't mean it was written. |
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i think you should all watch this film: LAZY_TITLE it will straighten you all right out. LOL |
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Everything that happens is a reaction to something else. So after the first thing happened, everything else was a reaction to it. So no, we can't change anything. Perhaps? Maybe I'm saying the exact same thing as everyone else? |
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