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analogue bubblebath from england on 2002-01-24 16:11 [#00074464] | |||||||||
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Having followed Mr James' work from the start, I have to say the new album's a pile of wank. Same old, same old, same old, it's aphex on autopilot. He may own a tank and a nuclear submarine, but i'm not scared. Dick, your album's shite. I care, but you obviously don't. |
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Rob.E. from London on 2002-01-24 16:33 [#00074468] | |||||||||
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It's perfectly ok to feel that way...}:> |
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jand from Essex on 2002-01-24 16:34 [#00074469] | |||||||||
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It's a grower...I seem to be listening to very little else for the last few weeks... Get yourself some decent phones or speakers and you'll perpahs hear the sheer detail of so many of the tracks... |
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m i f f from c y m r u on 2002-01-24 16:34 [#00074470] | |||||||||
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i wish i had a tank... |
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/-T|K|R-\ from the start on 2002-01-24 16:34 [#00074471] | |||||||||
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i understand what he means but that's what he's always done so you really can't blame him, but that's what makes him great at what he does, hope this helps |
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ken from ken on 2002-01-24 16:49 [#00074475] | |||||||||
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i couldn't get into the album at all-until i put all the hardcore stuff on one minidisc, and all the ambient piano on another-then i sequenced it so it had more of a flow-thats my problem with the'authentic' druks-it just sounds thrown together as an album. i know what you mean though-it really has disappointed A LOT of hardcore afx fans. |
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titsworth_courier from washington, dc on 2002-01-24 18:57 [#00074512] | |||||||||
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hardcore afx fans are like hip-hop fans: they hate change. it's kind of ironic tho cos both afx and hip-hop producers are always innovating. |
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MO 2 on 2002-01-24 19:06 [#00074514] | |||||||||
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tittyworth, I couldn't agree with you more. |
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JOB on 2002-01-24 19:12 [#00074517] | |||||||||
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yeah like what do you expect, u want another rdj album or icbyd? Oviously his music is going to change with the times and personally i think it has gone for the better. To call drukqs a pile of poo doesnt make sence to me. U must have crappy headphones or something, theres so much debth to each song, everytime i listen to the album i hear something new. |
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|REFLEX| from Edmonton, Alberta, Canada on 2002-01-24 19:41 [#00074530] | |||||||||
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In my opinion, the newest album is completly boring! The old stuff, the harder stuff is amazing still to this day. But his new one!? Damnit, I was SOOOO exited to have AFX come out with something new, and then I heard it was a double CD! I almost died with anticipation, but then I hear the CD after I buy it and argh! It was nothing of what I expected, total waste. |
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aphex_tibs from south east uk on 2002-01-24 20:21 [#00074544] | |||||||||
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I think the piano tracks are a nice alternative to the aggressive 1000 bpm's of the other tracks |
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Ophecks from Nova Scotia on 2002-01-24 20:24 [#00074546] | |||||||||
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I think it's his best... this Drukqs argument is never ending, I'm afraid... It isn't revolutionary, and he didn't put much effort into it, but I LOVE pianos, and I LOVE all the shit he jams into the hard tracks. Still hearing new things, to this day... |
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aphex_tibs from south east uk on 2002-01-24 20:25 [#00074548] | |||||||||
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I think the piano tracks are a nice alternative to the aggressive 1000 bpm's of the other tracks |
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corngrower from Iowa on 2002-01-24 20:28 [#00074549] | |||||||||
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I think it's a little harsh to call it a 'pile of poo', put to each his own. I think that if it would have just been a single lp organized a little better and leaving out some tracks, it would have been better, or at least would have gone over better with some people. Still a great rdj release as far as Im concerned. |
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jand from Essex on 2002-01-24 20:59 [#00074554] | |||||||||
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tits_worth: I know the syndrome, tho I'm pretty hardcore AFX fan from the early days and its exactly the CHANGE that keeps me interested after all this time...there's very few other current artists that can achive this....Theres nothing I like less than an "artist" who stagants & churns out more of the same.... which it's tricky to accuse RDJ of?... Evolution of sound is what I love and RDJ is doing a good good job... |
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titsworth_courier from washington, dc on 2002-01-24 21:09 [#00074559] | |||||||||
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agreed, RDJ always does right with that. and you know what? i'm sick of people pretending or tricking themselves into thinking drukqs isn't anything new and prefacing their praise with "it's nothing original/revolutionary/special/unique but..." fuck y'all, the tracks on drukqs ARE original. i mean firstly they're very unique in the afx catalogue. how many complex bangers like the ones on drukqs can you find on the other releases? none. none with as much rhythmic precision and intricacies. he has honed his skills with rhythm and ferocity to an entirely new level. and how much of SAW85-92 or SAW2 sounds like the short tracks on drukqs? none of it. the stuff on drukqs sounds organic (tho the trick is that they're all or mostly triggered by laptop!) in a way unlike anything he's put out before. it sounds more like danny elfman and erik satie than "classic (not Classics) aphex twin". this is all original stuff. there have been very few pieces of music since the early ages that have created new genres of music. SAW2 arguably did that with its brand of mind numbing ambient. but everything else afx has done has just been improving on (and in turn spurring evolution and revolution within) existing styles of music. so stop hating on drukqs because it's his finest update of music yet, and he hasn't even begun dishing out his latest vision (rephlex release 2002?. |
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surrounded by demons from neverneverland on 2002-01-24 21:21 [#00074563] | |||||||||
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I don't know, maybe it is because I'm more used to listening to rock/pop-albums rather than electronic music, but I don't find the way the tracks are arranged illogical at all. I love the fact that there are so many contrasts in this album. Especially the #1 disc is almost perfect. (esp. the first 10 tracks, as Gwarek 2 is the only druqks-song that I still don't like). To me it feels much more like an "album" than SAW 85-92 or ICBYD for instance. I don't believe that keeping all songs in the same sort of mood is the only way to make an album something more than just a collection of songs. It's just a wonderful trip... all the way from jynweythek to nanou2. If all the calm and all the noisy songs would have been seperated between disc #1 and #2... that would have been boring i think |
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Quoth from Lincoln on 2002-01-24 21:49 [#00074566] | |||||||||
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I love Drukqs. jesus... I get bored with listening to Bucephalus Bouncing Ball. Bah. DRUKQS in my humble opinion is RDJ's finest work that is quite different from his older stuff. |
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|REFLEX| from Edmonton, Alberta, Canada on 2002-01-24 21:49 [#00074567] | |||||||||
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Drukqs may be new and shows a newer style for him, but really that doesnt impress me any. I enjoyed his Analogue days far better than these new ones. Caustis Window, AB1, AB3, AB2 even, 5 not so much, Polygon Window, Quoth... all those are amazing, complexity comes in different shapes and sizes. Sure Drukqs is cool, but I was very dissapointed with it. Ill always enjoy his old stuff more. |
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Quoth from Lincoln on 2002-01-24 21:51 [#00074568] | |||||||||
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that's nice. |
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The_Funkmaster from Newfoundland, Canada on 2002-01-24 21:51 [#00074569] | |||||||||
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I like Drukqs... but I don't seem to listen to it much... so in that sense it's definately not his best... |
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The_Funkmaster from Newfoundland, Canada on 2002-01-24 21:54 [#00074570] | |||||||||
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in my opinion that is... |
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The Happy Slanderer on 2002-01-24 22:02 [#00074573] | |||||||||
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Never make an album that rhymes with "sucks." |
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Spud from Susanville, CA on 2002-01-24 22:10 [#00074578] | |||||||||
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Whoever thinks Drukqs sucks, you are the pile of poo, not the album itself. |
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Jarworski from Wales on 2002-01-24 22:12 [#00074580] | |||||||||
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I think it's good. The soft tracks are alright, the hard tracks are great. The production makes his older hard stuff sound pretty lame in comparison. And... yeah |
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Xanatos from NYC on 2002-01-24 22:13 [#00074582] | |||||||||
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People who haven't listened to drukqs much usually say it sucks. Even if you don't like it, how can you possibly say "Same old, same old"? Have you even played it straight through once? |
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The_Funkmaster from Newfoundland, Canada on 2002-01-24 22:14 [#00074583] | |||||||||
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yeah, it's definately dense music, and very very sophisticated, but to me, that doesn't make it a great album... just because something is super complicated sounding, it's not necessarily an amazing album... like I said though, I like the album, it's just not my favorite... |
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jand from Essex on 2002-01-24 22:31 [#00074592] | |||||||||
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I recall a guy I used to to know who I played the various AXF stuff...He haden't RDJ onwards....(whne RDJ went for that DnB style andbeyond...)... I kinda to explain that beats can go beyond 4x4 and AFX's kinda-broken rhythms are alike to Jazz when as it broke away from bebop & waltz etc... very similar reaction from the audience as well to start with.....the rest is History It's like Jungle rewired my brain...I can now appriciate the sheer speed & slowness & timbre& atmostphere & emotion together without one constany tripping over the other...... |
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evolume from seattle wa usa on 2002-01-24 22:36 [#00074595] | |||||||||
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i admit that i wasn't in love with the album straight away but i now think that it could become my favorite afx. one thing that really stood out on this album was his arranging (spelling?) skills. his songs are brilliantly arranged. anyone who has listened to much beethoven or tchaikovski (spelling?) knows what i'm talking about. |
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kryocera3 from Dallas,Texas (Plano) on 2002-01-24 23:12 [#00074601] | |||||||||
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If you dont appreciate the power and genuis of drukQs, than you arent a true Aphex Twin fan and don't have much musical intelligence. DrukQs is by far his most advanced work. |
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kryocera3 from Dallas,Texas (Plano) on 2002-01-24 23:22 [#00074604] | |||||||||
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It is one thing to listen to "good sounding" easy to groove to or whatever music, like most crappy djs and so called idm or drum and bass stuff, but I guarrantee that after listening to most of that stuff, when you return to listen to drukQs everything else is just plan dull. There is only a small handfull of electronic artist that capture true originality and creativity. Personally, I think Aphex Twin and his lastest work drukQs claims the crown out of the bunch. |
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jand from Essex on 2002-01-24 23:32 [#00074608] | |||||||||
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I do like the various emotions each track has within it...I find myself considering all sorts of feelings behind the tracks...it's all about listeing without prejous; you'll see that RDJ as put some evry emotions in each...& try not to cocntrate on"How did he do that?". I was once a musician and real techy stuff/gear/sounds was my side but linking emotion to that is the hardest... I know, as many of you are musicians, it's far too easy to listen out for the "How? The fuck" bits...but try... |
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PostModernVancouver from Vancouverrr on 2002-01-24 23:45 [#00074610] | |||||||||
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Tower/Pulse APHEX TWIN Drukqs ( Warp/London-Sire ) As electronic music, from big beat to IDM to trance, gets absorbed by the entertainment industry, its integrity is often sacrificed, while hacks like Moby create electronic wallpaper best suited to retailers intent on cornering a youthful demographic. Purchases of "electronica lifestyle" CDs at Pottery Barn and Starbucks figure into corporate fiscal year reports, not far behind those beloved jazz and pop lifestyle CDs. Thankfully, the inventive U.K. programmers who founded electronica on the vinyl shards of Detroit house and futuristic German pop have never stopped pursuing their muse. Surpassing themselves at an amazing clip, with inventive pioneers rising in the underground ranks, artists such as Kreidler, Kid 606, Squarepusher and Wagon Christ have continued to forage and forge a renegade vision in this overly commercial/conservative era. Richard James, a.k.a. Aphex Twin, the most ingenious programmer since Stockhausen cut his first tape loop, is also the most inscrutable artist of the electronica sect. James made his initial impact in the U.S. with 1994's Selected Ambient Works, Vol. 2, a double CD of minimal ambient music made of warped-string sounds and ominous synth drones that was simply, eerily beautiful. Fast forward to 1999's Windowlicker EP and James had evolved to snarling drum 'n' bass, manic break-beat explosions, ripping hardcore and frenzied acid experimentation, all bearing his trademark piss-take humor and mournful melodicism. Make no mistake, James is the genius of the genre, refusing to suffer fools whether recording cartoon songs about the "milkman's wife's tits" or creating computer software for his favorite pastime, video games. James has said that he only continues to make music for his friends and for the money, but Drukqs shows his laptop still burning with bright ideas. Another double CD, Drukqs doesn't necessarily break new ground, but it is more streamlined and traditionally musical than earlier records. Purists may long for more extremism, a la "Come to Daddy," but Drukqs is Aphex Twin at his most concise, coherent and satisfying. It's all here: organic beauty, alien war symphonies, butt-boring drum 'n' bass, exploding psychologies of splayed beats and ghostly melodies, and of course, demonically funny word gags of fabulously anal British wit. It doesn't matter where you drop the needle: "Vordhosbn" is all flexo-acid beats and scary synth coos coupled with fart-bombs and elderly cries of loneliness. "Avril 14th" is two minutes of a child's pristine piano sonata, as tuneful as a Satie Gymnopede. "Mt. Saint Michel Mix+St. Michaels Mount" begins as whizzing drum 'n' bass, but is soon infiltrated by a halo of twinkling tones, hand drums and emergency sirens; it's like seeing angels right before our vehicle crashes. "Hy a Scullyas Lyf a Dhagrow" (Welsh?) sounds like a folk zither piece; "54 Cymru Beats" is happy-scratch acid more Wagon Christ than Aphex; "Penty Harmonium" creates a virtual pony ride; "Taking Control" waxes philosophic with acid frivolity, drunken Syndrums and murky vocals. Hey, Richard, keep it up and come back soon. The Drukqs really do work. By Ken Micallef Aphex Twin Drukqs? Warp/Sire ----------------------------------------------------------- --------------------- So the reviews are out and they're all over the board on this one. So let's address the points of the current reviews of Drukqs? Yes, Richard D. James made the decision not to release any further material after his last record, yet has now wrapped up his contract with Warp with the release of Drukqs. It's a 30-track disc that may not break any new ground for the artist and the album is an ever bizarre and tough set of tracks that bounces from his familiar cut-up drill -n-bass to the classically structured and borderline new age sounding tracks. The emotional roller coaster it leads you down can be downright scary and it may let down those that are expecting something fresh but realistically, how long can an artist continue to break new ground? Why must he keep us on our toes forever? In the larger scope of music, electronic and beyond, Aphex Twin can still be considered cutting edge and sound unlike anything you've experienced before and it's really up to the new breed of artists to carry his torch and add to his sound. This criteria is one way to judge this album but if you can put that aside, you'll find Drukqs is a wicked release full of his trademark insanity and complex programming that truly combines the best of his past releases. The extreme amount detail given to the rapid fire editing is astounding and the melancholic piano and accordion work is downright beautiful. Don't go into it expecting something new and instead consider it as a fine example of everything that Aphex Twin has thankfully created for us in the past. Perhaps this should be his perfect final album? -JH |
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Loogie from UK on 2002-01-24 23:49 [#00074611] | |||||||||
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I downloaded it 2 months before it was released, and remember thinking hmm I hope it's a fake. It's not bad really but those piano bits just do nothing for me, remind me of my sister practicing for grade one. That bell track though... awesome! Ended buying it though, just to keep the collection complete. |
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The_Funkmaster from Newfoundland, Canada on 2002-01-25 01:48 [#00074629] | |||||||||
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see that's stupid... just because you don't like something that is considered to be pure genious, doesn't mean that you're stupid... it's just a differing of tastes... |
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|REFLEX| from Edmonton, Alberta, Canada on 2002-01-25 06:53 [#00074738] | |||||||||
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Whoever said that you have no smarts because you dont like Drukqs is not too bright, thats sorta... pushing your opinion on everyone else, ofcourse I dont take it, but I mean come on, sure its complex, but like someone else said that doesnt mean you need to like it more. |
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Bogus on 2002-01-25 07:29 [#00074741] | |||||||||
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So the only real reason why you are putting an album out now is because you wanted to officially release as many tracks as possible before they get around unofficially? RDJ: Yeah, pretty much. It’s kind of like an mp3 album really. I don’t reckon that many people will do it, but the way I listen to music now is that I buy a CD, put it on the computer and just take the tracks I want anyway. I’d hope that people would to the same with this CD. |
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Bogus on 2002-01-25 07:39 [#00074742] | |||||||||
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Do the tracks on the album sound new to you? RDJ: Not really. A lot of them are quite old-style sound-ing, I reckon. I’ve done loads of tracks which are really new in style and which don’t sound like any-thing else but I didn’t want to release those tracks. What I found is that if you release something that’s really new ideas then everyone just copies that very quickly and then it becomes very old, whereas if you make things in an old style then you know how it’s going to age. I’ve made tracks before which are really fresh and then loads of people copy it and that just ruins it. One thing one could always rely on when a new Aphex Twin album came out, was that you were going to be surprised. At least that was the case until „Richard D James“. If you’ve heard the 12“ "Hangable Autobulb“ before you would have got a pretty good idea for the sound of „Richard D. James“. With „Drukqs“ it mostly seems to be more of the same. RDJ: In some ways that’s true. But they are not really the same as before. Style-wise they are the same but not depth-wise. I haven’t done something in so much detail before. There‘ about a hundred times more details than in older ones. There’s maybe only one track, number seven („Bbydhyonchord“), that is slightly different, different kind of beat or what-ever. And I’ve done loads of stuff like that and I just don’t want to release it. |
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Joe from North Pole on 2002-01-25 08:13 [#00074743] | |||||||||
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I like most of the tracks on Druqks if I listen to them individually BUT I do not like the layout/mix of the album. Alot of the songs don't flow together IMO. |
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Xanatos from NYC on 2002-01-25 08:29 [#00074744] | |||||||||
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"RDJ: Yeah, pretty much. It’s kind of like an mp3 album really. I don’t reckon that many people will do it, but the way I listen to music now is that I buy a CD, put it on the computer and just take the tracks I want anyway. I’d hope that people would to the same with this CD. " Dude, that's misquoted, that's not what RDJ said. He was not saying that he hoped people would take a few tracks and put them on their computer...he was saying he hoped people would burn the cds into one in a track arrangement that they liked. Unless I'm mistaken, that above is a quote made of chopped up things RDJ said, and it wasn't in response to that question either. Show me where you found that interview. When he said he burned the mp3s, he was saying that because he buys tons of CDs on amazon.com and then records the mp3s and returns the cds. You would think he wouldn't need to do that, but anyway, I'm pretty sure that quote is B.S. |
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ArchRival on 2002-01-25 09:03 [#00074751] | |||||||||
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"hardcore afx fans are like hip-hop fans: they hate change. it's kind of ironic tho cos both afx and hip-hop producers are always innovating." Totally agree with that! Drukqs is amazing. |
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Bogus on 2002-01-25 09:12 [#00074753] | |||||||||
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xanatos that's not misquoted at all and don't be dumb... cus extracting the tracks you like from drukqs to your pc... implies the possibility of burning a cd of the tracks you like from druqks. the point is that he did not intend for drukqs to be listened in one stand... is just a collection of tracks do what you want with them. and the amazon thing was said on aother question and it doesn't even have any relevance on the point made. |
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ken from ken on 2002-01-25 09:17 [#00074756] | |||||||||
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drukqs is stunning. |
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m on 2002-01-25 09:31 [#00074762] | |||||||||
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it's not really that complex/intricate. this album didn't have much of a big impact on me, otto von schirach 8000 bc is far more wicked just for one example. |
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grinningcat on 2002-01-25 11:16 [#00074793] | |||||||||
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i think the biggest problem with druqs is no one can make their damn mind up about it!! wen i bought it i thought it was wicked, then i bought the rest of his stuff and thought it was a little stale, but now again listening to it, it is in fact wicked!! i think he did it on purpose to confuse and perplex his fans, the sick f*ck! |
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Ytrewder Showons from Far from the truth on 2002-01-25 15:03 [#00074841] | |||||||||
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Pile of poo? Thats a question each and one ask all to ofthen. But just the simpel fact, that you asked it in the first place is an answer. May not be the answer you were looking for. If you have made up youre mind, you have walked away from the truth. Drukqs are good.In which way? Acid flipp reality. Acid? Reality? All and non. |
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grinningcat on 2002-01-25 17:51 [#00074888] | |||||||||
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hey that sounds like mr.RDJ... |
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Papa Byrd from Perth on 2002-01-25 18:17 [#00074891] | |||||||||
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Dont be too hasty with your opinions people!! Druks is just a beautiful refinement of what Richard has learnt. To say it is a pile of poo to me seems that you must not have listened to it with an open mind. (forget his previuos work, heck...forget any other music in the world, just turn off the lights, put on the headphones and listen carefully to the Drukqs.) This album really contains some breathtaking music. |
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Papa Byrd from Perth on 2002-01-25 18:18 [#00074892] | |||||||||
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Dont be too hasty with your opinions people!! Druks is just a beautiful refinement of what Richard has learnt. To say it is a pile of poo to me seems that you must not have listened to it with an open mind. (forget his previuos work, heck...forget any other music in the world, just turn off the lights, put on the headphones and listen carefully to the Drukqs.) This album really contains some breathtaking music. |
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Echelon from The capitalist pig country formerly known as the U.S on 2002-01-25 19:02 [#00074906] | |||||||||
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Aphex twin's new album is a Big PILE OF SHIT!!.... that is if all you enjoy is avant-garde and hardcore, RDJ has definetaly toned-down a bit, but I believe that was his intent, he didn't make Drukqs to impress critics or fans, he made it as part of a record deal, so naturally it's going to be more light. I personally believe such a fusion between his wild drill n' bass style, with some very beautiful piano lines is wonderful because it shows that all his music does not have to be deep dark, and complicated, just fun, well that's my 2 cents, just let it grow on you. |
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