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I played one of these yesterday. How to describe it? Thick, tubby, silky, glassy, fat, erotic, wow. No analog emulation I've heard comes even close. Now unfortunately I know what I'm missing. :-( |
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and competitavely priced |
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Hence my dilemma! It costs as much as a modest used car but oh man the sound of it. And the feel - it's built soooooo solid. The keyboard and the knobs and everything have this chunky solid built to last feel. And the pitch and modulation wheels are chunky plexiglass that is illuminated from within. It makes my nipples hard. |
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surely you could get something aling a similar line much cheaper. but i know what you mean about the knobs. if ever i go into a keyboard shop im like a kiddy in a sweet shop. |
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ah! wicked. |
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Yeah, maybe but it would have to have a completely analog signal path with discrete components rather than microchips. So it would either be as expensive or it'd have to be shoddier. And I doubt you could clone the Moog circuitry without getting sued. |
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no analog emulation can come close because what you played was a true analog synth i'm so jealous that you got to touch one i've wanted one of these babies since i heard about them i want the 50th Anniversary edition the most |
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my oh my,looks very phatty. moog is teh answer to our lives |
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He can "feel electrons". Viagra for keyboards. |
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i want that movie |
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Just ordered one. 1799.99 + 9.99 delivery (I got a 10% discount) I can't even play. Why do I waste my stupid money this way. |
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seriously did you order one? :D |
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Oh well if the scousers have them I don't want one any more. |
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he probley stole it, the scally |
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I know eh, just like he "bought" max/msp |
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Actually I was fiddling around in Reaktor and learned how to do a pretty good Moog emulation. [Who am I kidding, I want one so bad it hurts like an unvarnished pencil in my peehole] |
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that synth is pure sex. arturia do a good job with their VST emulation though, i have to say. |
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yeah the VSTi sounds as near as you're gonna get to the real thing, but a VSTi cannot emulate the physical feel of the beast |
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i've shaken robert moogs hand before. that's the end of my story. |
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I'd fuck it |
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robert moogs hand? |
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Hehe yeah I was modeling my Reaktor version after some of the patches in the Arturia plugin. So I came close to something that comes close to a minimoog. The thing about physical circuits is that everything interacts to some degree - changing something or sweeping something with an LFO changes voltage and resistance in subtle ways elsewhere in the circuit. And everything about it seems to shimmer and wobble subtly like a mirage. I'm going to try to model that in Reaktor somehow - put at least some of the wobble and shimmer in. As for the component interactions I can try but I'd have to know a lot more about DC circuits to do an authentic job... |
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Before what? |
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sometime before i told that story. |
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your avatar is awesome by the way. |
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When you end a sentence with a preposition you're conjugating with Stalin. |
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my spelling, punctuation, and grammar are fucking shamefull. i should've never been allowed to move past second grade. |
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Oh no, no man, I love your writing. I was just goofing around. :: fleetmouse holds you :: |
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yeah, you'd have a tough job modelling heat and voltage variations, that's for sure... some sort of fractal noise lfo or something might be a good place to start. i'd imagine successfully modelling the moog ladder filter was quite a bit of work for arturia, too. |
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i hear safari has a built in spellchecker. i should probably go mac. |
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There's a ladder filter in Reaktor that's pretty good. Really, what's missing is the heat and voltage variations as you put it - that extra shimmer and sheen. That must be some of what's eating the extra CPU cycles in Arturia's plugins. I'm gonna try to put in some slow slow random S/H or Geiger LFOs at a very low level and run them through event smoothers and have them modulating this and that parameter almost subliminally - like turn them up until you can just barely hear what it's doing, then set it a notch or two below that... |
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I'm not really getting it. I was going to get it but the website wouldn't let me order at the time, and I am feeling more sensible now. |
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Shimmer. yes, analogue shimmers. I really don't think Reaktor or any tip top plug in does the trick. I just bought an mks-80. I just blows everything away. Such strength, such determination. It pounds out bass like it's runnin for office,...Software is nice, but no matter how many little doo dads you tac on,. It will not be analogue. It will be kinda unpredictable. |
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i would sacrifice a toe for a real CS80, i think. if such a bizarre situation ever arose. again, arturia's emulation of that is flawless, but lacks that analogue shimmer. to expand on what i mentioned above: academic people have done extensive research into stuff like telephone interference (because such things are economically important, obviously), and have discovered that it can be modelled using fractal patterns based on the works of a bloke called peano most prominently amongst a big bunch of people. when you think about it, a bunch of LFOs based on similar principles would be a decent start on the near-to-impossible task of modelling voltage/temp variances... and think of the tweakability of such a thing O_o |
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Did ya get the mpg-80 controller to go with it? Or can you use a generic programmable controller and map the CC#s? Surely one of the joys of analog is controlling the thing with real knobs... |
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Actually I'm getting some interesting results - based on what you say I think I'll set the amplitude and frequency of my LFOs to Fibonacci numbers. And what I may need is some envelopes to fade the instability in and out for some parameters. Tweakability, yes - I'm putting in XY controllers to tune the amount of instability. |
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sweet! peano's thing is basically.... take a line ----------------------------------------------------------- bisect it with a space between the segments ---------------------__________---------------------------- divide both segments in two with (that space/2) between -____----------------__________---------------____--------- and so on... when iterated to a silly level and given some random factors (midpoints and spaces)... this approximates phone noise bursts. hmmm more incentive to learn max/msp :D |
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I played it again. This time I turned it up to a decent (not too loud though) volume and it made my organs tingle. I'm in love - you know when your knees feel weak and your teeth are chattering and there are butterflies and stars flying around your head? Oh yeah. This time I ran through some presets instead of trying to make my own lead tone from scratch - I'm surprised how versatile it is. It's a fucking barnyard of grunting screeching quacking varmints. |
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go on baby, twiddle your feedback and put your filters into self-oscillation. you know i like it like that.... pure sex |
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