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         |  Gwely Mernans
             from 23rd century entertainment (Canada) on 2004-08-15 05:05 [#01305104] Points: 9875 Status: Lurker | Followup to mappatazee: #01305100
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 | yeah, and theme of sudden roundabout, and iv vv iv vv iv viii, surripere.. hell, everything!
 
 
 
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         |  t i b b a r
             from harrisburg, pa (United States) on 2004-08-15 05:06 [#01305105] Points: 112 Status: Addict
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 | gwely: i hear that. i need challenged. i need somethign that makes me have to really absorb it in more than one sitting
 and really make think about even whether i think its good or
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         |  Gwely Mernans
             from 23rd century entertainment (Canada) on 2004-08-15 05:08 [#01305106] Points: 9875 Status: Lurker | Followup to Gwely Mernans: #01305104
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 | i had the most brilliant high listening to theme of sudden roundabout, i could hallucinate the visual aspect of the
 sounds, i could fly into the chaotic programming which isnt
 random in the LEAST if you have a smart enough mind to
 follow it, and think "WOW" when you reach a part where like
 a few layers of programming overlap in unison and then go
 off again, its like almost parralell lines, but theres a
 curve and after a long time, the two lines meet up and go
 through one another, isnt that something truely spectacle? i
 think so, and ive had this epiphany of utter astoundment and
 understanding while listening to confield and draft (only
 those two albums)
 
 whoa what did i just say..
 
 
 
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         |  Gwely Mernans
             from 23rd century entertainment (Canada) on 2004-08-15 05:12 [#01305109] Points: 9875 Status: Lurker
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 | i could also go on and on about drukqs, about how much mood and emotion it builds up in me, and how catchy and evil some
 of the songs are, but theres nothing complex to comment on,
 well there are complexities, but after youve heard draft,
 the word complexity reaches a new meaning
 
 
 
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         |  JLefrere
             from London (United Kingdom) on 2004-08-15 05:14 [#01305111] Points: 253 Status: Regular
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 | Well you know what? I like to ENJOY music, I don't need it to be without dissonance or unexpected progressions, but I
 don't need it to be different or NEW just for the sake of
 it. It's pathetic that you ask for that from music. Great
 music can be simple. Listen to Erik Satie's music. This was
 written a century ago.
 
 
 
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         |  Gwely Mernans
             from 23rd century entertainment (Canada) on 2004-08-15 05:17 [#01305113] Points: 9875 Status: Lurker | Followup to JLefrere: #01305111
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 | hey man, i chill out listening to envane and garbage ep allot, im a big fan of the beautiful simple stuff.
 
 but for you to dismiss complex music having the ability to
 be ENJOYABLE, then your mind is feeble, and talking to you
 might lower my IQ..
 
 
 
 
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         |  JLefrere
             from London (United Kingdom) on 2004-08-15 05:23 [#01305117] Points: 253 Status: Regular
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 | I can't believe your arrogance! You seem to enjoy music that you find different, new, challenging, complex. I enjoy
 mainly music that is beautiful, simple, timeless, and that I
 can personally relate to. Saying that though, I don't
 advocate lyrics in music.
 Anyway, this could never make me less intelligent than you.
 Apart from the creator's self expression, music is about
 uses and gratifications. We each ask for something different
 from music, and that's that.
 
 
 
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         |  Gwely Mernans
             from 23rd century entertainment (Canada) on 2004-08-15 05:38 [#01305120] Points: 9875 Status: Lurker | Followup to JLefrere: #01305117
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 | im just bored and ranting about at 4:39am. 
 
 
 
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         |  nacmat
             on 2004-08-15 05:48 [#01305123] Points: 31275 Status: Lurker
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 | drukqs 
 why?
 
 bla bla bla bla bla bla bla
 bla bla bla bla bla bla bla
 bla bla bla bla bla bla bla
 bla bla bla bla bla bla bla
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         |  horsefactory
             from 💠 (United Kingdom) on 2004-08-15 05:51 [#01305124] Points: 14867 Status: Regular
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 | mf doom 
 
 
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         |  t i b b a r
             from harrisburg, pa (United States) on 2004-08-15 05:55 [#01305128] Points: 112 Status: Addict | Followup to JLefrere: #01305117
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 | why cant music be both? 
 
 
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         |  JLefrere
             from London (United Kingdom) on 2004-08-15 05:56 [#01305129] Points: 253 Status: Regular
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 | ~1 pm BST. But I was going to leave it at that. It's annoying that you somehow think you're more intelligent than
 me over something as trivial as a 'which album is better'
 argument, the whole thing is about taste and opinion anyway
 so it doesn't matter. I say each to their own, enjoy
 autechre, but don't encourage musical elitism by denouncing
 my opinions etc. This messageboard is hostile enough as it
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         |  mrgypsum
             on 2004-08-15 05:58 [#01305130] Points: 5112 Status: Regular
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 | it would be a draw for me, drukqs has more tracks and therefore takes me longer to digest as a whole, whereas
 draft, i want to listen to it longer, and study each track.
 drukqs is sweet, then nasty, then sleepy (good sleepy), and
 draft is closed in, then vacuous, then strange (good
 strange).
 something i do notice is this: i can put drukqs on when i am
 with other people, not into electronic music, and they will
 get in to some of the tracks, BUT i cannot put draft on,
 they will not get in to it. i have to be by myself to get
 the full experience.
 
 
 
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         |  DJ Xammax
             from not America on 2004-08-15 06:00 [#01305131] Points: 11512 Status: Lurker
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 | I really like Draft 7.30. But Drukqs breaks my heart. 
 
 
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         |  JLefrere
             from London (United Kingdom) on 2004-08-15 06:02 [#01305132] Points: 253 Status: Regular | Followup to t i b b a r: #01305128
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 | It can be, but it rarely is. But I suppose if you were to say that a song on draft meets all of those criteria, it'd
 still be down to taste for what you would call beautiful. Do
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         |  nacmat
             on 2004-08-15 06:21 [#01305152] Points: 31275 Status: Lurker
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 | draft makes me think: "this is great music" 
 drukqs makes me cry
 
 
 
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         |  t i b b a r
             from harrisburg, pa (United States) on 2004-08-15 06:22 [#01305153] Points: 112 Status: Addict
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 | well, i mean... look at ultravisitor. 
 to me, that fits all criteria. it is complex and challenging
 at times, and at others it is quite simple and innocent. i
 think it has fun, i think it has depth of emotion, i think
 it is colorful at times, and sometimes also bleak and grey.
 to me, itll always be one of his best because he was able to
 pull it ALL together. i think draft is like that for me,
 too. it seems to me they were able to pull the confield
 thing and the lp5 thing together into one. its actually a
 very accessible album once you feel it out. i dont know,
 maybe thats just my experience... but id say give them a
 chance. i wrote them off, but found somethign had me popping
 gantz in even thoguh i hated it. it intrigued me. now i
 totally and completely adore it. very satisfying.
 
 
 
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         |  t i b b a r
             from harrisburg, pa (United States) on 2004-08-15 06:23 [#01305154] Points: 112 Status: Addict
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 | i prefer genre splicing to genre slicing. 
 
 
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         |  rogu rarebit
             from beggin' for leggings on 2004-08-15 07:39 [#01305174] Points: 2164 Status: Regular
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 | Who cares? They're both good. 
 And also: I vote Draft 7.30! The way all the sounds flow
 seperatley from each other and how they relate to one
 another.... this record is jazz, man. I love it.
 
 
 
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         |  DJ Xammax
             from not America on 2004-08-15 07:48 [#01305178] Points: 11512 Status: Lurker
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 | Favourite from Drukqs: Mt. St. Michaels St. McDonalds Mount or whatever. Maybe Ziggomatic v17. The climax that both
 these songs build to has already been praised enough by both
 myself and other members, so I shan't both.
 
 Favourite from Draft 7.30: Theme from Sudden Roundabout is
 just incredible. The way the melody slinks in, the fat
 squelchy beats, the sound that is in the last few seconds is
 absolutely indescribable, yet I feel like I hear it every
 day. The track is so alien yet so human at the same time.
 Amazing.
 
 
 
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         |  JAroen
             from the pineal gland on 2004-08-15 07:49 [#01305179] Points: 16065 Status: Regular
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 | d7.30 <3 
 
 
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         |  cygnus
             from nowhere and everyplace on 2004-08-15 08:39 [#01305204] Points: 11923 Status: Lurker | Followup to horsefactory: #01305124
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 | hahahaha 
 
 
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         |  Aesthetics
             from the IDM Kiosk on 2004-08-15 10:28 [#01305258] Points: 6796 Status: Lurker
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 | if you really want to compare Drukqs with another album I think Drukqs vs Clarence Park would be more suitable
 
 
 
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         |  mappatazee
             from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2004-08-15 11:10 [#01305272] Points: 14302 Status: Lurker
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 | I enjoy mainly music that is beautiful, simple, timeless, and that I
 
 can personally relate to.
 
 Well that's exactly what I enjoy in Draft 7.30.  Personal
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         |  pachi
             from yo momma (United States) on 2004-08-15 11:33 [#01305291] Points: 8984 Status: Lurker
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 | DRAFT 7.30 
 And my selection is just a personal preference, not a vote
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         |  bob
             from Nottingham (United Kingdom) on 2004-08-15 12:17 [#01305298] Points: 4669 Status: Lurker | Followup to horsefactory: #01305124
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 | big up. 
 
 
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         |  tolstoyed
             from the ocean on 2004-08-15 12:18 [#01305299] Points: 50073 Status: Moderator
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 | drukqs 
 wow, this was a tough one.
 
 
 
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         |  earthleakage
             from tell the world you're winning on 2004-08-15 12:24 [#01305302] Points: 27859 Status: Regular
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 | drukqs 
 wow, this was the easiest one ever.
 
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         |  JAroen
             from the pineal gland on 2004-08-15 12:53 [#01305315] Points: 16065 Status: Regular | Followup to earthleakage: #01305302
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 | DRUGJQS 
 BEEJ KAUZ IT MAAJK YUO Be 'C00l!!' TO BE A DRUJSG@!!K!
 
 
 
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         |  Ophecks
             from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2004-08-15 14:07 [#01305358] Points: 19190 Status: Moderator | Show recordbag
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 | There should be a Drukqs vs Confield poll, because they're of the same era, and Confield is better than Draft.
 
 Wait, no there shouldn't... you can't compare two different
 things, that's ridiculous!
 
 
 
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