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offline Archrival on 2004-08-07 11:48 [#01297936]
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Whats the difference between guys like AFX, Squarepusher
and dudes like VS??

I tell u the difference...I got to this conclusion after
listening to Snares latest effort.

When it comes to a guy like AFX he got mad talent and he is
very ambitious and talented....

When it comes to VS...he is just plain ambitious :(
Not any musical talen at all almost.


 

offline weatheredstoner from same shit babes. (United States) on 2004-08-07 11:49 [#01297938]
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Give this man a cigar.


 

offline elusive from detroit (United States) on 2004-08-07 11:50 [#01297940]
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I thought this was rhetorical?

I still <3 vsnares tho, I need that mad drill glitch every
now and then.



 

offline -crazone from smashing acid over and over on 2004-08-07 11:53 [#01297945]
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did I mention venetian snares pisses on guys like AFX and
sp?if not; he does


 

offline elusive from detroit (United States) on 2004-08-07 11:54 [#01297946]
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ok.


 

offline weatheredstoner from same shit babes. (United States) on 2004-08-07 11:55 [#01297948]
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no


 

offline DJ Xammax from not America on 2004-08-07 11:58 [#01297951]
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I agree that his ambition outweighs his talent somewhat, but
hell, he has good ideas, and that's enough for me half the
time. On top of that, he delivers a nice brainfuck when you
need it, which I often do.

How old is he? 24 I think. It took Aphex a while for
anything to put out anything truly inspiring IMO, I think
(and hope) that Snares still has his best stuff in him.


 

offline earthleakage from tell the world you're winning on 2004-08-07 12:00 [#01297953]
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i can't take anyone seriously that releases 30 albums a year


 

offline -crazone from smashing acid over and over on 2004-08-07 12:08 [#01297958]
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Venetian snares is far to difficult to understand for most
people, he makes music of the future, experiments a lot more
then sp, "cycles" from ultravisitor f.i. is in a way
experimental but still plain and simple, I liked what sp did
on go plastic but still it gets bored and predictable after
hearing it two or three times, vs never gets bored and I
discover new sounds every time I listen to his music, he's
on of the best imo. I never was a big AFx fan and never will
be; his music doesn't hit me


 

offline DJ Xammax from not America on 2004-08-07 12:11 [#01297961]
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Despite the limitations of his sound, Snares is head and
shoulders above anyone else doing breakcore, you can't deny
that.


 

offline Archrival on 2004-08-07 12:13 [#01297963]
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dont get me wrong, I got all of Venetian Snares CDs but it
just clicked with this album.....in negative way.

He made some classic tracks tho, it would be much better if
he released less albums and had some quality control.

he made some of my favourite tracks like dance like your
selling snails, some tracks on Winter in the belly of a
snake is excellent etc etc


 

offline Archrival on 2004-08-07 12:15 [#01297966]
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yeah...ok, but I felt so annoyed when I heard his new
one..maybe had too high expec.

I mean I had sky high expectations for ultravisitor too but
Square even passed those :)


 

online dariusgriffin from cool on 2004-08-07 12:17 [#01297969]
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I think he could make really good music if he'd stop
masturbating.


 

offline weatheredstoner from same shit babes. (United States) on 2004-08-07 12:19 [#01297972]
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Actually Bola makes music of the future. VSnares makes music
for angry goth kids.


 

offline stilaktive from a place on 2004-08-07 12:22 [#01297976]
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VSnares is just very fun and good. He makes music quickly
and by the truckload and its lots of fun.

vieeieieieieieeeeeeeoeieieoio 4 big buds in 4 big mins
whwooo


 

offline elusive from detroit (United States) on 2004-08-07 12:23 [#01297977]
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is -crazone, venetiansnares himself?

lol sounds like it.

chill out, it's ok to like more than 1 artist


 

offline stilaktive from a place on 2004-08-07 12:25 [#01297981]
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No its not fool. worship AFX like everyone back in the day.

I used to like trance! TRANCE for gods sake amazing stuff.
PvD still love him wow. biut i was like 11. my brains to big
for pop.


 

offline DJ Xammax from not America on 2004-08-07 12:31 [#01297987]
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SHUT THE FUCK UP I HATE YOU


 

offline stilaktive from a place on 2004-08-07 12:37 [#01297990]
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mowah*


 

offline revpersona from Plainfield (United States) on 2004-08-07 12:45 [#01297993]
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All this drill stuff is the same. Now it's just who can use
faster bpm or can cut up the breaks in a different way.
It's all crap. Gone are the days of Lunatic Harness when
everything was harmonized. In are the days of shit.


 

offline revpersona from Plainfield (United States) on 2004-08-07 12:48 [#01297996]
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Hey, early Trance circa 1990-1994 was good shit. It was
nothing like the Trance of today. If anyone thinks it is,
then they need to get their ears washed and their heads away
from the drugs. Check out early R&S, Harthouse, and
Platipus.


 

offline DJ Xammax from not America on 2004-08-07 12:56 [#01298000]
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"All this drill stuff is the same. Now it's just who can
use
faster bpm or can cut up the breaks in a different way.
It's all crap. Gone are the days of Lunatic Harness when
everything was harmonized. In are the days of shit. "


Nonsense. I don't know what drill you're listening to, but
it's just as much 'harmonized' as it was in the apparent
golden days of Lunatic Harness, which coincidentally to me
sounds just like another example of 'who can use the
faster bpm' or 'cut up breaks in a different way'. And
unless you're insane, cutting up breaks in a
different way is very, very hard to do, thus making
for appealing music. Right?

Don't want to sound hostile but I think you're way off.


 

offline weatheredstoner from same shit babes. (United States) on 2004-08-07 12:59 [#01298001]
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Where did that come from?


 

offline DJ Xammax from not America on 2004-08-07 13:00 [#01298002]
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Li'l joke see... ... ...


 

offline revpersona from Plainfield (United States) on 2004-08-07 13:04 [#01298003]
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Hardly is stuff harmonized. Perhaps it was just Mike P, but
instead of focusing on the "faster bpm" he added that
melodical touch. Sure cutting up breaks is something you
want to try and do, but I find the same problem with all
this new drill material as I do with DnB when it was at the
height of commercialism. It got too stay to fast. You
know, that's find if you like this stuff not a problem. It
irritates me when I see all this worshipping of VS and SP.
It's all been done before people. Maybe you weren't
listening to Electronic Music back then, but the most
innovated time for Jungle was around 1993 when it broke away
from Rave Hardcore.


 

offline revpersona from Plainfield (United States) on 2004-08-07 13:05 [#01298005]
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stay=stale rather.


 

offline nacmat on 2004-08-07 13:12 [#01298011]
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I like snares music a lot

he makes angry music, but also sweet music... he can be
melodic and also harsh

I really like all of this albums and some of them are near
perfect imo

but I can understand that other people do not like his
music... no big deal

on the other hand, I dont need to compare him with afx
squarepusher or whoever... I can enjoy them all and thats
what I do


 

offline big from lsg on 2004-08-07 13:22 [#01298028]
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if there were more decent idm artists we wouldnt have to go
on and on about venetian snares
idm sucks
i dont know what my point is here


 

offline DJ Xammax from not America on 2004-08-07 13:43 [#01298049]
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If it got boring for you that's fine. I can see why it would
for some people... especially those that were there when
this stuff was fresh. It's a point that my brother tries to
make, since he was fond of rave and jungle in the early
90's, he tries to tell me drum'n'bass has gotten too fast...
wrong, it's the inevitable advance in electronic music. It
will take something really special to evolve drill'n'bass,
and for my money, Snares has done his part, his style is
very much his own. I agree Squarepusher might be repeating
himself a little bit, as with Snares, but they've both done
great things already, don't be so cynical.


 

offline thecrimsonguard from ∞ (United States) on 2004-08-07 13:58 [#01298071]
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aaron is talented. Right now i think he has more talent
than AFX.


 

offline Key_Secret from Sverige (Sweden) on 2004-08-07 13:59 [#01298073]
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I agree with Archival's opinion.
But that doesn't mean aaron lack talent.


 

offline DJ Xammax from not America on 2004-08-07 14:02 [#01298077]
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As much as I've been defending Snares, I would absolutely
LOVE for Aphex to release something that puts him back at
the top of the pile.


 

offline goodbyegonzaguo from Edinburgh (United Kingdom) on 2004-08-07 14:09 [#01298086]
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To me VS's stuff is technical muscle-flexing a bit like what
Mike Paradinas is trying to do at the moment (unsuccesfully)
which is interesting from a technical point of view but
lacks sponteneity. VS doesn't jam like squarepusher can,
probably because he doesn't play an instrument. He is
patient and ambitious but not spontaneous.


 

offline weatheredstoner from same shit babes. (United States) on 2004-08-07 14:11 [#01298088]
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Mike P has done a great job with Bilious Paths.


 

offline Key_Secret from Sverige (Sweden) on 2004-08-07 14:14 [#01298092]
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I prefer Mike P to VSnares...
Mike P is way more quality (I mean, like a ratio, per
track)

My fav VSnares is, so far, doll doll doll...

What I mean is, pick a random VSNares track and a random
µ-ziq track - and the µ-ziq track is most likely
going to be "better".... but of course it depends on what
one is after.
But I prefer µ-ziq to VSnares.


 

offline goodbyegonzaguo from Edinburgh (United Kingdom) on 2004-08-07 14:25 [#01298114]
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I like Mike Ps melodies but he seemed so focussed on
following the agenda of drill/hyperediting/flavor of the
month dancehall or whatever when he can make great tunes
without. I always feel he's trying to prove himself
technically and not following his own style. I also think
this about Aphex at the moment.


 

offline DJ Xammax from not America on 2004-08-07 14:45 [#01298139]
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Totally agree about Mike P.


 

offline goodbyegonzaguo from Edinburgh (United Kingdom) on 2004-08-07 14:52 [#01298145]
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I'm prefering the direction Cylob and Astrobotnia are
taking. Maybe I just don't like drill.
About VS, everyone says he's prolific...could he not have
been making this stuff for the last four years say and then
released it all in one year (ie 2003). I'm sure Aphex is
just as prolific but chooses not to release his stuff (or at
least that's what he has us thinking).


 

offline disasemble from United States on 2004-08-07 20:57 [#01298496]
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lobster


 

offline tolstoyed from the ocean on 2004-08-07 21:33 [#01298508]
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afx and squarepusher are way more charismatic as venetian
snares...i take their music more seriously as vsnares too,
dunno why really, definitely coz it's more up to my taste,
but i also find something deeper in what afx and pusher are
doing, although other people may find snares to be
deep...hmm, sometimes i wonder if aaron's got the "ear" for
music...what i mean is afx and pusher seem to be more of a
musicians as snares, like they understand music better or
something, are able to create music for any kind of
opportunity, while snares can only do one thing - well,
perhaps he can do something else as well, but i've never
heard something else from him so i can't tell. the best
thing to do for those people who think aaron is better in
some way, would be to check all three live and see what i
mean :)
afx is GOD when it comes to live music/djing.


 

offline tolstoyed from the ocean on 2004-08-07 21:39 [#01298514]
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aaron is at least 27...maybe 28 now. he started making music
pretty late.


 

offline elusive from detroit (United States) on 2004-08-07 23:04 [#01298543]
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well said.

i still like vsnares all the way, but it's definetely on a
lower level of respect than afx/>[]



 

offline elusive from detroit (United States) on 2004-08-07 23:16 [#01298544]
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although BLAERG is satisfying some of my harsh drill needs
right now.

fo sho


 

offline roygbivcore from Joyrex.com, of course! on 2004-08-08 00:29 [#01298552]
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turn that frown upsie daisy


 

offline -crazone from smashing acid over and over on 2004-08-08 01:54 [#01298558]
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What's wrong with comparing artists? We can learn a lot from
this discussions, off course they are (most of the times)
all good and everyone has is own taste in music, styles etc,
but talking about, or discuss, their music gives us insight
and makes us understand the music we all love. So it's not
that I don't love afx, sp, I'm really into all kinds of
electronic music, I love mostly all releases from rephlex,
warp, mu, skam, etc. So don't get me wrong here. I just
don't like people saying venetian snares lacks talent or
being plain ambitious cause that would be a lie imo,
releasing so much stuff in a short period shows us how
ambitious he is; he works hard, music is his biggest
ambition, also releasing so much stuff in a short period
shows us that he doesn't lack talent; have you ever tried to
make music? Without talent you would need much more time to
make an album like he does.
And no; I'm not venetian snares, even if I sound like him;
I'm just not a star in expressing myself in an other
language, me english is bad. I can say, listening to
electronic music for over 15 years now, that I respect
venetian snares' music and I'm sure he deserves to stand
next to other big artists like AFX or sp, mike p, vibert,
etc. So if we are going to compare music from artists please
do that respectfully and seriously, it also keeps the
quality of this mb high. I said "vs pisses all over Afx an
sp work", that wasn't very respectfull and serious, I now
take it back. I said it cause it pissed me off people don't
know what they are saying. What I wanted to say is that most
of his work is much more agressive and more experimental
then Afx or sp, I think they can learn from him, I'd love to
hear SP going more experimental, like he did on go plastic,
and I'd also love to hear Venetian snares going more funkier
by jamming a bit more, and I definately want sp and afx to
release more stuff, I don't see what's wrong with that.

Peace





 

offline bogala from NYC (United States) on 2004-08-08 02:17 [#01298561]
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Afx is magic.


 

offline Theocide from Escondido (United States) on 2004-08-08 02:23 [#01298563]
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it boils down to this ( i haven't read this thread yet.)

aaron releases 6+ releases a year. everyone has a very
steady supply of aaron funk to get themselves through the
year. pretty much everyone is relatively not jonesing at all
for aaron funk stuff.

and then we have aphex. nowadays we are lucky to get shy of
two tracks a motherfuckin year out of this guy.

same fuckin thing with BoC and autechre and squarepusher
(though it's lesser with tom nowadays due to his release
schedule.)

If BoC and aphex had releases more frequently, everyone
would stop pissing themselves.

Oh, and aaron funk can't hold a candle to aphex. not even
close.


 

offline nacmat on 2004-08-08 02:58 [#01298576]
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aaron funk has surprised me with his music

I am in this mb since january 2002 and since then I have
ebeen reading about him here, good reviews and bad
reviews,,, but I was so into getting all the aphex and
autechre that I could that I didnt have money nor time to
get to know him

but finally this last xmas when I already had almost
anything by autechre, aphex, boc, plaid, squarepusher and
muziq I then decided to get into snares as well as into some
other new artists for me (vibert, devine, bola, lfo, chris
clark...) ok I must say that out of all these great artists
who were new to me snares is the one that surprised me more
(maybe tied with lfo) from the other artists I have bought
one or two releases and they were great but thats it... but
with snares I bought witboas and it made me go and buy every
single fucking cd he has released... which is a similar
thing that hapenned to me when I discovered aphex and
autechre

so I love all kind of artists and music, but I must say that
out of all the artists that I have known for the first time
this year, snares is the one who stands in the top of my
taste... and I enjoy them all (team doyobi, brothomstates,
leo anibaldi, bochum welt, b12, lory d, quinoline yellow,
freeform, dj scud, mr 76ix, !!!, ooo...)


 

offline nacmat on 2004-08-08 03:06 [#01298578]
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dont get me wrong, I am not saying is not good to compare,
of course its good (thats all I do with my polls and
competitions with woofer)

but I was trying to bring some peace to the thread in a
moment where I though it was getting a little agressive

but I was wrong, this thread is flowing freat and its a very
interesting read


 

offline -crazone from smashing acid over and over on 2004-08-08 03:52 [#01298585]
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Ok. I was thinking the same; that's why I explained my
earlier post in this thread. We must keep threads serious, (
although good jokes are always very welkom). Screaming
yes-no-yes-no-yes-no-yes and pissing people off doesn't take
us very far in talking seriously about the music we all
love. We're no children anymore, at least I aint.
To stay on topic; why is it that afx & boc release less
material? I think boc had other things to worrie about like
becoming a dad and they will release a new album very soon,
and afx is spending all his cash he made with 26 mixes for
cash and will release something new when he's out off cash,
I wonder what that'll be like, I hope it's something
hardcore, I'm kinda tired of (his) ambient/piano tracks, I
recall one or two songs from druqks wich were great
drill&bass, If he would do a full lenght album with that
kinda songs, I'll love the guy, eventhough I'm not gay


 


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