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Archrival
on 2004-08-07 11:48 [#01297936]
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Whats the difference between guys like AFX, Squarepusher and dudes like VS??
I tell u the difference...I got to this conclusion after listening to Snares latest effort.
When it comes to a guy like AFX he got mad talent and he is very ambitious and talented....
When it comes to VS...he is just plain ambitious :( Not any musical talen at all almost.
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weatheredstoner
from same shit babes. (United States) on 2004-08-07 11:49 [#01297938]
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Give this man a cigar.
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elusive
from detroit (United States) on 2004-08-07 11:50 [#01297940]
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I thought this was rhetorical?
I still <3 vsnares tho, I need that mad drill glitch every now and then.
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-crazone
from smashing acid over and over on 2004-08-07 11:53 [#01297945]
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did I mention venetian snares pisses on guys like AFX and sp?if not; he does
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elusive
from detroit (United States) on 2004-08-07 11:54 [#01297946]
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ok.
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weatheredstoner
from same shit babes. (United States) on 2004-08-07 11:55 [#01297948]
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no
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DJ Xammax
from not America on 2004-08-07 11:58 [#01297951]
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I agree that his ambition outweighs his talent somewhat, but hell, he has good ideas, and that's enough for me half the time. On top of that, he delivers a nice brainfuck when you need it, which I often do.
How old is he? 24 I think. It took Aphex a while for anything to put out anything truly inspiring IMO, I think (and hope) that Snares still has his best stuff in him.
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earthleakage
from tell the world you're winning on 2004-08-07 12:00 [#01297953]
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i can't take anyone seriously that releases 30 albums a year
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-crazone
from smashing acid over and over on 2004-08-07 12:08 [#01297958]
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Venetian snares is far to difficult to understand for most people, he makes music of the future, experiments a lot more then sp, "cycles" from ultravisitor f.i. is in a way experimental but still plain and simple, I liked what sp did on go plastic but still it gets bored and predictable after hearing it two or three times, vs never gets bored and I discover new sounds every time I listen to his music, he's on of the best imo. I never was a big AFx fan and never will be; his music doesn't hit me
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DJ Xammax
from not America on 2004-08-07 12:11 [#01297961]
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Despite the limitations of his sound, Snares is head and shoulders above anyone else doing breakcore, you can't deny that.
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Archrival
on 2004-08-07 12:13 [#01297963]
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dont get me wrong, I got all of Venetian Snares CDs but it just clicked with this album.....in negative way.
He made some classic tracks tho, it would be much better if he released less albums and had some quality control.
he made some of my favourite tracks like dance like your selling snails, some tracks on Winter in the belly of a snake is excellent etc etc
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Archrival
on 2004-08-07 12:15 [#01297966]
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yeah...ok, but I felt so annoyed when I heard his new one..maybe had too high expec.
I mean I had sky high expectations for ultravisitor too but Square even passed those :)
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dariusgriffin
from cool on 2004-08-07 12:17 [#01297969]
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I think he could make really good music if he'd stop masturbating.
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weatheredstoner
from same shit babes. (United States) on 2004-08-07 12:19 [#01297972]
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Actually Bola makes music of the future. VSnares makes music for angry goth kids.
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stilaktive
from a place on 2004-08-07 12:22 [#01297976]
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VSnares is just very fun and good. He makes music quickly and by the truckload and its lots of fun.
vieeieieieieieeeeeeeoeieieoio 4 big buds in 4 big mins whwooo
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elusive
from detroit (United States) on 2004-08-07 12:23 [#01297977]
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is -crazone, venetiansnares himself?
lol sounds like it.
chill out, it's ok to like more than 1 artist
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stilaktive
from a place on 2004-08-07 12:25 [#01297981]
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No its not fool. worship AFX like everyone back in the day.
I used to like trance! TRANCE for gods sake amazing stuff. PvD still love him wow. biut i was like 11. my brains to big for pop.
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DJ Xammax
from not America on 2004-08-07 12:31 [#01297987]
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SHUT THE FUCK UP I HATE YOU
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stilaktive
from a place on 2004-08-07 12:37 [#01297990]
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mowah*
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revpersona
from Plainfield (United States) on 2004-08-07 12:45 [#01297993]
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All this drill stuff is the same. Now it's just who can use faster bpm or can cut up the breaks in a different way. It's all crap. Gone are the days of Lunatic Harness when everything was harmonized. In are the days of shit.
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revpersona
from Plainfield (United States) on 2004-08-07 12:48 [#01297996]
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Hey, early Trance circa 1990-1994 was good shit. It was nothing like the Trance of today. If anyone thinks it is, then they need to get their ears washed and their heads away from the drugs. Check out early R&S, Harthouse, and Platipus.
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DJ Xammax
from not America on 2004-08-07 12:56 [#01298000]
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"All this drill stuff is the same. Now it's just who can use
faster bpm or can cut up the breaks in a different way. It's all crap. Gone are the days of Lunatic Harness when everything was harmonized. In are the days of shit. "
Nonsense. I don't know what drill you're listening to, but it's just as much 'harmonized' as it was in the apparent golden days of Lunatic Harness, which coincidentally to me sounds just like another example of 'who can use the faster bpm' or 'cut up breaks in a different way'. And unless you're insane, cutting up breaks in a different way is very, very hard to do, thus making for appealing music. Right?
Don't want to sound hostile but I think you're way off.
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weatheredstoner
from same shit babes. (United States) on 2004-08-07 12:59 [#01298001]
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Where did that come from?
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DJ Xammax
from not America on 2004-08-07 13:00 [#01298002]
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Li'l joke see... ... ...
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revpersona
from Plainfield (United States) on 2004-08-07 13:04 [#01298003]
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Hardly is stuff harmonized. Perhaps it was just Mike P, but instead of focusing on the "faster bpm" he added that melodical touch. Sure cutting up breaks is something you want to try and do, but I find the same problem with all this new drill material as I do with DnB when it was at the height of commercialism. It got too stay to fast. You know, that's find if you like this stuff not a problem. It irritates me when I see all this worshipping of VS and SP. It's all been done before people. Maybe you weren't listening to Electronic Music back then, but the most innovated time for Jungle was around 1993 when it broke away from Rave Hardcore.
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revpersona
from Plainfield (United States) on 2004-08-07 13:05 [#01298005]
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stay=stale rather.
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nacmat
on 2004-08-07 13:12 [#01298011]
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I like snares music a lot
he makes angry music, but also sweet music... he can be melodic and also harsh
I really like all of this albums and some of them are near perfect imo
but I can understand that other people do not like his music... no big deal
on the other hand, I dont need to compare him with afx squarepusher or whoever... I can enjoy them all and thats what I do
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big
from lsg on 2004-08-07 13:22 [#01298028]
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if there were more decent idm artists we wouldnt have to go on and on about venetian snares
idm sucks i dont know what my point is here
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DJ Xammax
from not America on 2004-08-07 13:43 [#01298049]
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If it got boring for you that's fine. I can see why it would for some people... especially those that were there when this stuff was fresh. It's a point that my brother tries to make, since he was fond of rave and jungle in the early 90's, he tries to tell me drum'n'bass has gotten too fast... wrong, it's the inevitable advance in electronic music. It will take something really special to evolve drill'n'bass, and for my money, Snares has done his part, his style is very much his own. I agree Squarepusher might be repeating himself a little bit, as with Snares, but they've both done great things already, don't be so cynical.
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thecrimsonguard
from ∞ (United States) on 2004-08-07 13:58 [#01298071]
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aaron is talented. Right now i think he has more talent than AFX.
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Key_Secret
from Sverige (Sweden) on 2004-08-07 13:59 [#01298073]
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I agree with Archival's opinion. But that doesn't mean aaron lack talent.
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DJ Xammax
from not America on 2004-08-07 14:02 [#01298077]
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As much as I've been defending Snares, I would absolutely LOVE for Aphex to release something that puts him back at the top of the pile.
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goodbyegonzaguo
from Edinburgh (United Kingdom) on 2004-08-07 14:09 [#01298086]
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To me VS's stuff is technical muscle-flexing a bit like what Mike Paradinas is trying to do at the moment (unsuccesfully) which is interesting from a technical point of view but lacks sponteneity. VS doesn't jam like squarepusher can, probably because he doesn't play an instrument. He is patient and ambitious but not spontaneous.
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weatheredstoner
from same shit babes. (United States) on 2004-08-07 14:11 [#01298088]
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Mike P has done a great job with Bilious Paths.
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Key_Secret
from Sverige (Sweden) on 2004-08-07 14:14 [#01298092]
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I prefer Mike P to VSnares... Mike P is way more quality (I mean, like a ratio, per track)
My fav VSnares is, so far, doll doll doll...
What I mean is, pick a random VSNares track and a random µ-ziq track - and the µ-ziq track is most likely going to be "better".... but of course it depends on what one is after.
But I prefer µ-ziq to VSnares.
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goodbyegonzaguo
from Edinburgh (United Kingdom) on 2004-08-07 14:25 [#01298114]
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I like Mike Ps melodies but he seemed so focussed on following the agenda of drill/hyperediting/flavor of the month dancehall or whatever when he can make great tunes without. I always feel he's trying to prove himself technically and not following his own style. I also think this about Aphex at the moment.
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DJ Xammax
from not America on 2004-08-07 14:45 [#01298139]
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Totally agree about Mike P.
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goodbyegonzaguo
from Edinburgh (United Kingdom) on 2004-08-07 14:52 [#01298145]
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I'm prefering the direction Cylob and Astrobotnia are taking. Maybe I just don't like drill.
About VS, everyone says he's prolific...could he not have been making this stuff for the last four years say and then released it all in one year (ie 2003). I'm sure Aphex is just as prolific but chooses not to release his stuff (or at least that's what he has us thinking).
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disasemble
from United States on 2004-08-07 20:57 [#01298496]
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lobster
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2004-08-07 21:33 [#01298508]
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afx and squarepusher are way more charismatic as venetian snares...i take their music more seriously as vsnares too, dunno why really, definitely coz it's more up to my taste, but i also find something deeper in what afx and pusher are doing, although other people may find snares to be deep...hmm, sometimes i wonder if aaron's got the "ear" for music...what i mean is afx and pusher seem to be more of a musicians as snares, like they understand music better or something, are able to create music for any kind of opportunity, while snares can only do one thing - well, perhaps he can do something else as well, but i've never heard something else from him so i can't tell. the best thing to do for those people who think aaron is better in some way, would be to check all three live and see what i mean :)
afx is GOD when it comes to live music/djing.
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2004-08-07 21:39 [#01298514]
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aaron is at least 27...maybe 28 now. he started making music pretty late.
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elusive
from detroit (United States) on 2004-08-07 23:04 [#01298543]
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well said.
i still like vsnares all the way, but it's definetely on a lower level of respect than afx/>[]
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elusive
from detroit (United States) on 2004-08-07 23:16 [#01298544]
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although BLAERG is satisfying some of my harsh drill needs right now.
fo sho
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roygbivcore
from Joyrex.com, of course! on 2004-08-08 00:29 [#01298552]
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turn that frown upsie daisy
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-crazone
from smashing acid over and over on 2004-08-08 01:54 [#01298558]
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What's wrong with comparing artists? We can learn a lot from this discussions, off course they are (most of the times) all good and everyone has is own taste in music, styles etc, but talking about, or discuss, their music gives us insight and makes us understand the music we all love. So it's not that I don't love afx, sp, I'm really into all kinds of electronic music, I love mostly all releases from rephlex, warp, mu, skam, etc. So don't get me wrong here. I just don't like people saying venetian snares lacks talent or being plain ambitious cause that would be a lie imo, releasing so much stuff in a short period shows us how ambitious he is; he works hard, music is his biggest ambition, also releasing so much stuff in a short period shows us that he doesn't lack talent; have you ever tried to make music? Without talent you would need much more time to make an album like he does.
And no; I'm not venetian snares, even if I sound like him; I'm just not a star in expressing myself in an other language, me english is bad. I can say, listening to electronic music for over 15 years now, that I respect venetian snares' music and I'm sure he deserves to stand next to other big artists like AFX or sp, mike p, vibert, etc. So if we are going to compare music from artists please do that respectfully and seriously, it also keeps the quality of this mb high. I said "vs pisses all over Afx an sp work", that wasn't very respectfull and serious, I now take it back. I said it cause it pissed me off people don't know what they are saying. What I wanted to say is that most of his work is much more agressive and more experimental then Afx or sp, I think they can learn from him, I'd love to hear SP going more experimental, like he did on go plastic, and I'd also love to hear Venetian snares going more funkier by jamming a bit more, and I definately want sp and afx to release more stuff, I don't see what's wrong with that.
Peace
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bogala
from NYC (United States) on 2004-08-08 02:17 [#01298561]
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Afx is magic.
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Theocide
from Escondido (United States) on 2004-08-08 02:23 [#01298563]
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it boils down to this ( i haven't read this thread yet.)
aaron releases 6+ releases a year. everyone has a very steady supply of aaron funk to get themselves through the year. pretty much everyone is relatively not jonesing at all for aaron funk stuff.
and then we have aphex. nowadays we are lucky to get shy of two tracks a motherfuckin year out of this guy.
same fuckin thing with BoC and autechre and squarepusher (though it's lesser with tom nowadays due to his release schedule.)
If BoC and aphex had releases more frequently, everyone would stop pissing themselves.
Oh, and aaron funk can't hold a candle to aphex. not even close.
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nacmat
on 2004-08-08 02:58 [#01298576]
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aaron funk has surprised me with his music
I am in this mb since january 2002 and since then I have ebeen reading about him here, good reviews and bad reviews,,, but I was so into getting all the aphex and autechre that I could that I didnt have money nor time to get to know him
but finally this last xmas when I already had almost anything by autechre, aphex, boc, plaid, squarepusher and muziq I then decided to get into snares as well as into some other new artists for me (vibert, devine, bola, lfo, chris clark...) ok I must say that out of all these great artists who were new to me snares is the one that surprised me more (maybe tied with lfo) from the other artists I have bought one or two releases and they were great but thats it... but with snares I bought witboas and it made me go and buy every single fucking cd he has released... which is a similar thing that hapenned to me when I discovered aphex and autechre
so I love all kind of artists and music, but I must say that out of all the artists that I have known for the first time this year, snares is the one who stands in the top of my taste... and I enjoy them all (team doyobi, brothomstates, leo anibaldi, bochum welt, b12, lory d, quinoline yellow, freeform, dj scud, mr 76ix, !!!, ooo...)
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nacmat
on 2004-08-08 03:06 [#01298578]
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dont get me wrong, I am not saying is not good to compare, of course its good (thats all I do with my polls and competitions with woofer)
but I was trying to bring some peace to the thread in a moment where I though it was getting a little agressive
but I was wrong, this thread is flowing freat and its a very interesting read
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-crazone
from smashing acid over and over on 2004-08-08 03:52 [#01298585]
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Ok. I was thinking the same; that's why I explained my earlier post in this thread. We must keep threads serious, ( although good jokes are always very welkom). Screaming yes-no-yes-no-yes-no-yes and pissing people off doesn't take us very far in talking seriously about the music we all love. We're no children anymore, at least I aint.
To stay on topic; why is it that afx & boc release less material? I think boc had other things to worrie about like becoming a dad and they will release a new album very soon, and afx is spending all his cash he made with 26 mixes for cash and will release something new when he's out off cash, I wonder what that'll be like, I hope it's something hardcore, I'm kinda tired of (his) ambient/piano tracks, I recall one or two songs from druqks wich were great drill&bass, If he would do a full lenght album with that kinda songs, I'll love the guy, eventhough I'm not gay
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