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hello. i will be in berlin from july 30th to august 4th. please, german members, post links to internet sites that either list cool places to go (off the beaten track, not tourist guidebook stuff), concert listings, clubs, special events, exhibitions, etc. -- preferably, of course, in english but german is okay too. would be much much much appreciated! |
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go! |
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that's the plan, yes. bump. |
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ostgut |
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go and see some lecorbusier, mies van der rhoe, libeskind... |
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i was wondering if there is anything left from the berlin wall, can you check that out for me? |
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there is |
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ok tnx nacmat, it hasn't been totally moved to israel yet |
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lol how are you doing mate? |
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why are you parrotting two-cent political wisdoms regarding situations you know nothing about? |
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ostgut? |
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well, this is just a MB, the perfect place to talk free and also frivolize he dididnt miss by much though |
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didi? hahaha nacmat said didi :)) |
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don't foget to bring home a consignment of juicy german sausage - woof woof! |
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the berlin wall was a barrier that divided one people (the germans) that were previously one nation. it was superficially imposed by foreign powers that were not on either side of the fence except in claim. it was imposed to protect ideological stronghold on the respective side. there was no previous history of extreme hatred between the two sides (east and west germany) and of violence particularly targeting each other. the wall in israel/palestine divides two people (israeli and palestinians) that are, historically, two nations. it was imposed by israel as a measure of protecting itself. there is long standing animosity amongst the two groups. people in israel are sick of living in fear of suicide bombings -- they're sick of having to eye everyone suspiciously on a bus because they might blow themselves up. however misguided their effort, they're trying to protect themselves. terrorist incidents in the northern part of israel, where the wall has already been completed, have dropped to next to nothing. if the wall continues to work, it might convince the israeli public that the occupation is not neccessary and the palestinians can enjoy true autonomy in their country. i have a lot of problems with the walls -- i think it makes it difficult for palestinians to reach hospitals and education -- and i think, at the very least, its path ought to change. so far, the israeli supreme court has yielded to the appeal of palestinian citizens more than once and has agreed to change the path of the wall. it's a bunch of fashionable claptrap, this german/israel comparison. i don't agree with the israeli occupation of palestine, but at the same time i have no sympathy for ill-informed slogans that are exchanged like so much pop culture humor. people are dying over here on a daily basis. if you are so genuinely concerned by either palestinian assaults on israeli civilians, which i am, or israeli brutality in its treatment of palestinians, which i am also, then go ahead and act. |
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come on people...collaborate on this one!! (remember rado?) |
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there are plenty of things to do. i was at a checkpoint protesting ill treatment of palestinians earlier this week, and monitoring israeli soldiers so they treat palestinians better. if you are genuinely concerned, by all means act. i can help direct you to an organization that mirrors your particular ideas. it's this messageboard snickering i can't stand. joke about something else. |
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it makes sense...but you don't need to take serioulsy anything you read on this mb. :) |
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you went too far. I agree 100% with you what I meant is that in a very supeficial view of the problem, its like the same stupid thing: lets separate families with a wall! of course the circumstances are diferent, but the solution is the same... and I think crazone just made a fun remarc about that. but again, I think your deeper look on the matter reveals how diferent the two cases are |
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well, thanks for the patience and for reading it through.. i get a little upset by these things. i'm in israel right now and things are pretty heated all around. well, anyways.. you're right about me taking it too seriously... so there. |
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