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Alright, my roommate (who is a very good guitarist and hates electronica) likes too diss my music, mostly autechre, he says its a bunch of badly made beeps and doots and its untalented. to my offence, i defend autechre with every breathe in my body, yet he then proceeds to bring up that he has musical knowledge from the courses hes taken. He always brings up this bullshit about autechre never changing time signatures, i really dont know what he means by 4/4 or whatever, all i know is that he goes on and on that metal is the best thing ever and changes time signatures allot.. can any of you tell me a song by ae that inst 4/4 ? or whatever the fuck all this time bullshit is, the only way to reason with this primite metal head is to show him the cold hard facts. thankyou. |
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whoever finds my typo wins a free pack of winegums |
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cichli is 5/4 drone (or drane) is 5/4 characi is 9/4 and there are some others. most songs are in 4/4. |
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Hmmm, well... Alot of autechres first two albums are 4/4 time, and i think that quite alot of what they do could be be 4/4 time. Cichli however i know for sure is 5/4 time. I am also the first to admit that i am no authority on these matters at all but i hope this helps in a small but probably insignificant way. |
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Some don't even bother with the concept of time signatures. |
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You beat me to it how frustrating... |
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oh and 777 is.......well you guessed it 7/4 |
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thankyou! thats what i keep telling him. |
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hello! I have no idea of time signatures. I can manage to recognize 4/4 ofc4se, and a nice waltz here and there, but that's about it. |
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Now with a song in your heart go and tell him of your superiority. : ) |
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let me give you all a word of advice... never get a roommate thats only into metal. |
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Show him come to daddy, maybe he will wet his pants. He seems the sort... |
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the third track on the Anti e.p. should do the trick - that's the one that constantly changes time doesn't it? |
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it supposedly never repeats the same rhythmic phrase, but the time does stay constant throughout the song. |
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acually skink, i did show him, he liked it, but then he said that dillingers escape plan's version was way better. and that was metal btw. its funny how he says all my electronica sounds the same, when they use completely different sounds and melodies. i say all his metal sounds the same and then he says im tone deaf. also, he doesnt respect any of the beautiful aphex,ae, and boc melodies, he says their random, and the artists have no musical knowledge.. sorry, i have to vent out right now. |
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oh. sell it to qrter. |
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hahaha. |
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Well what can you say... Some people have no respect and some people will never listen, it is the way with these things. Don't worry though people always say i listen to weirdo music... Oersonally i sya bollock to all of that i don't really care and nor should you. |
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dillinger escape plan is good. the cover, is not. you guys could probably get along quite well if you realized the similarities in what you listened to. both genres have 'technicalities' for cool's sake in them. |
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acroyear2 consists of loops in three different time sigs layered over each other. Unfortunately what they are escapes me right now, but on a quick listen it's 4/4, 5/4, and 15/8 (or 7/4) or something, all at once. It's what accounts for the 'phasing' of say the snare over the bass drum, or the melody over the snare, for example. And Cichli is a masterwork of 5/4 timing... it's like Dave Brubeck's 'Take 5' - so effortless you don't really realize it's in 5/4 unless you pay attention. |
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People who listen for the technicalities only really annoy me. |
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Me too actually, that information is second-hand. But I have basic music theory, so I listened carefully to verify, and it's more or less spot-on. African polyrhythmical stuff (eg Fela Kuti) basically works the same way as that track, and it sounds as natural as you could get. If you start listening to time signatures too carefully, you enter Rush territory ;) |
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skink, yep... KainiIndustries, thanks :) this should work on him. (i hope) |
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acually, he didnt even care, he says its stupid if its made on computer, because computers can do anything, if it isnt a real instrument, he wont even give it a second glance. its too bad, ppl like him really miss out on the finer sounds in life. |
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A good listen to Steve Reich's 'Piano Phase' is what he needs! |
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Yeah well as with everything in life, some people will be blind or deaf in this case. |
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Give him some Squarepusher. That should shut him up. Either Go Plastic or Ultravisitor. |
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Does your friend like... RADIOHEAD?!? :) And what does he think of... the Line 6 Variax?!? Or the Pro Toolin' on, well, more than a handful of recent metal albums . . . *meh* Muhahaha, hybrids are such fun. Sounds either like some mighty snobby elitism or he's just trollin' with you on this one. |
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changing time in metal is the guitarist-with-small-cock equivalent of glitch |
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the vast majority of Autechre's songs are in straight 4/4... but they just make the beat a little weird, so it might sound different... Nuane for instance, which sounds random, is straight 4/4... |
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So nobody actually can explain what time signatures do? |
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They parse the rythms into symetrical patterns. |
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I love time signatures. Your roomate is a prick if he thinks random time signatures make a track better. Considering most metal is in 4/4 as well his argument has no basis. The reason most are in 4/4 is because that's what our bodies respond to most. |
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A Time signature is a "symbol" used in music notation to say how many beats are in each bar and how long those notes are when counted as 1 beat. |
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That was a reply to Dann_ by the way. |
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They don't "do" a certain thing. That's like saying "so nobody actually can explain what tempo does?" They are used to say how many beats are in a bar (top number) and the division of a whole note which reprsents one beat (bottom number). |
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The most impressive track by AE for time signatures is Cap.IV from Gantz Graf. The rythym structure is changes when you listen using 6/8 instead of 3/4 time signature. You can alternate between these to for every measure and really see the diffrence in perception. Then there's Blifil for 2nd peel session. The beginning works in 8/4 then it alternates between 9/4 and 8/4 then finally stays at 6/4. Then there's the tracks with sonic tricks like Characi where the beat at the end of the 4/4 measure gives the illusion of hesitation. Or fold4,wrap5 (perpetual slowdown). Anyway, the point is time signatures are just a way of counting time and organizing rythym. Your friend is shooting steam up your ass. |
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long story short, your roommate thinks that his reaction to music is a quality of the music itself. in addition, he doesn't really know why he likes what he likes, so he uses half-baked reasoning and criticism to define what he doesn't like as "bad music," and attempts to use his misunderstanding of music theory to justify his tastes. people here do it frequently in different degrees. as a matter of fact, most people think that their perceptions and reactions are qualities of an objective reality. it's a waning epidemic. gnome sane? |
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Tell me, how do you avoid confusing your perceptions and reactions with qualities of an abjective reality? |
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"to my offence, i defend autechre with every breathe in my body" Ladies and gentlemen, what an answer! What an answer! Spoken like a true hood should. Is it true a man of your talent has inverted nipples (has inverted nipples?)? |
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interesting thread. actually, drane is in 10/4, not 5/4. it has two 4/4 bars followed by a single 2/4, 4+4+2=10. it is tempting to round it down to 5/4 but not musically accurate because there is no dominant 'hit' on the 6th note of the phrase. nicely illustrates how time signatures can tell us something useful about a song. but then ultimately it really doesn't matter, a 4/4 beat could be far more inventive and rhythmically unusual than your standard 7/8 metal fare. gwely, you can tell your smartarse mate that actually a lot of autechre is in 2/4, not 4/4... eg. laughing quarter, middle part of cipater, etc. |
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how do you guys determine the time sig? just counting? |
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Yeah :) |
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i diligently remind myself that such an objective reality does not, in fact, exist. |
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That, I don't understand. |
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i have an uncommon (round these parts) perspective. i hope it's at least interesting, or thought provoking, or neutral. |
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he's an arrogant ignorant metalhead. don't bother :) |
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wow, this track by steve reich is amazing, its also the first song ive ever heard by him. thanks for the suggestion :) |
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keep listening to more steve reich, he's got many tracks as good or better than that. |
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Time signatures have got nothing to do with innovation. Most of metal is quite stagnant evolution wise. And that comes from a person who listens to quite a lot to experimental hardcore-metal music. What's important is what you do with sound... what you do to renew the aesthetic result of music. And autechre's later works are a perfect example of merging of "melody" and rhythm. I mean they are fusing together. Now how cool is that? |
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