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I've been listening to RDJ for years now, and recently, I've been doing a month marathon - nothing but AFX. A couple of things have been bothering me, and I'm sure the more experienced listeners on this board might have some answers: 1) Is the quality on RDJ's first few releases intentional (e.g. SAW1, Surfing on Sine Waves, Classics, AB3 etc). You can hear portions of the songs where the high frequency beats seem to fade away, and then grow stronger again. There are even parts where it sounds as though he recorded directly to crappy cassette tape which he mangled, or was chewed up by the cat. Just listen to his early works on headphones and you'll see what I mean. Even some of his newer releases (RDJ album, ICBYD) have major clipping on some tracks and I feel as though I've got to turn down the volume. 2) On SAW1, Schottkey 7th path, what the hell does he use to make that "wash board" rythym effect? If you listen to it closely, it changes slightly every few seconds - very inconsistent. It sounds too imperfect to be made by a machine, unless Rich had it sampled and was triggering it manually whilst drunk. Thanks mates. |
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myth is that rdj made his own equipment for saw1 that might be it |
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didn't he record saw1 on tape...and therefore the weak quality? |
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yeah its especially bad on xtal |
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I'm thinking that Rich just probably doesn't even care about how the medium alters his music. If a casette tape gets chewed and mangles his song, all the better. The static sound of clipping is probably an acceptable bit of noise that is just as strange and intruiging as all the rest of the intentionally created otherworldly sounds adjacent to it on each track. |
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I hope these quality issues are as noticeable to others as they are to me. Otherwise quite a few people need to get their ears checked. |
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everyone notices it...there were plenty discussions about it already :) peope don't care though...all they care for is good music. |
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can you hear the distortion on icbyd? |
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I like the lo-finessity of Xtal and stuff, but the horrible sound quality of ...I Care Because You Do is unforgivable. Bastard. |
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yeah he was an established artist by then, could have kept it a bit cleaner but then again, maybe its his artistic choice |
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Ya. ICBYD has some nice clipping issues. It's not that bad though. Even track 1 on RDJ album (4), has some of it too. |
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hello, may i point you to the fact that ICBYD is a compilation of older stuff and therefore suffers the same quality problems as most older stuff by him. i have rdj album on cd and it don't clip on my system. |
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my rdj does it's not the system but the on the cd |
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Listen to track 1 on the RDJ album ("4" I believe it's called). And near the end of the album (last 3rd perhaps), the synth begins to clip / distort. It doesn't matter what volume you play it on (I thought my headphones were buckling at first). No sound system can be rid of it. It's just there. I know some producers like µ-ziq have used distortion to good effect, and perhaps aphex realized this long beforehand. Good point E-man about the ICBYD containing older songs. The last track in particular has ridiculous clipping. I really don't like it at all. |
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IMO it enhances the feeling and atmosphere of those releases.All the little drop outs and tape saturation on certain tracks give them personality.If it was all perfect and clean it would be horrible,I like it because you can imagine the tracks being made in his house,instead of some 8000 grand an hour studio. |
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next heap with? i think it really adds something there :) |
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I'd like to point out, that on Xtal, what sounds like a really chewed up synth (the chimey one) is in fact meant to sound like that. Relative the other sounds, you can discern that the synth is meant to sound sort of broken while others remain solid. |
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drukqs is quite alright |
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but it's boring soundquality too, too sqeekieclean |
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too 'laptoppy' |
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what's those ' ' things? |
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aanhalingstekens |
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You wanna talk about squeeky clean, we should be talking about autechre. |
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well really not everything they do sounds perfectly clean. what big means, i think, is the sterile sound of druqks ae is kinda mechanical too, but stuff like slow acid or rettic AC (a lot of chiastic slide) sounds pretty organic to me |
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drukqs is perfect. |
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Chiastic slide does sound pretty organic. Most of aphex twin has alot of organic sounds. If I didn't know any better, I'd say parts of ICBYD (among other albums) were produced with an orchestra, and that his drum machine consisted of spring loaded hammers with pots, sawblades, and tin foil on the receiving end. |
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aphex = genious but a fucking lazy one lately |
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no or there it rules |
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You have to bear in mind that most of the material on icbyd was recorded quite along time before it was released. Does anybody else find the sound qualit on the rdj album is pretty skewed as well? |
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i think the aphex twin records have better sound quality then the avrage i like the tape sound its more mellow clean is boring |
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I think it's mostly deliberate, or if accident considered part of the aesthetic. I love the few "white noise" backgrounds in rdj album. It sounds "home made". |
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technology is shit. saw1 is genius, and it sounds good... who cares about little clipping? |
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I do. Clipping is awful, and it's not that hard to avoid. |
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i haven't heard much of the older AFX stuff, but to be honest i prefer character in songs......don't get me wrong, drukqs was brilliant and i love it for its complexity and the programming, but it is just too damn clean sounding. ICBYD and RDJ album sound GREAT because of the fact that they don't sound clean.......i really wish i could give my work that kind of sound, but since most of my stuff at the moment is laptop-based, i'm stuck with clean sounding stuff. it's one of the reasons why i will always love using hardware as opposed to computers and software - if you use hardware, you do get a different sound. long live "lo-fi" |
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I don´t mind about a little lo-fi here and there, but clipping is something we could live without. AFX is a true slacker. oscillik: try recording your PowerBook-music (if you still use it, mac-basher!) through various stuff, a tape deck is often used for that lofi tape-saturaration and compression... Several Plug ins do a lot of that stuff too It´s weird: When we finally can make something clean and nice, we lust for the old sound once heard... |
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heh, thanks i'll probably end up doing that ;) i'd still really love to have the hardware and stuff too though yes it is weird - for years everyone strived for better quality music (in terms of clarity) and now we have it, we want vinyl and tape. yes i do still use my ShitBook because i took a loan out to get it in the first place - its not like i could get my money back or anything. i'm stuck with it now |
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Scream in Reason 2.5 with preset 'tape' makes track sound similiarly to RDJ analog tracks. |
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i feel like the clipping on ICBYD and RDJ, maybe on others as well, is intentional. |
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This topic is gay. Who cares? People that matter (ie. me) don't. Therefore the rest of you shouldn't. Now go back to playing your computer games and masturbating over 'women' you wish were your girlfriends (ladyboys). |
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yeah stupid threads about music |
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i like the clipping on come to daddy also |
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This thread isn't about music it is about audiophilia...which is sick and should be stopped straight away. |
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Autechre create artificial (that was a bit redundant) sonic dirt.... Whew |
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Ok then, let's hear to C64 music. It IS great. |
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ahh god another aphex hes not worth it |
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