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When I make music I often end up listening to my demo's in Winamp. When doing that I seem to end up watching the peaks on the Spectrum Analyzer end up in the left area. Though I can't remember what the fuck that means in frequencies, and thinking that my track sounds good as it is, it still bothers me. Does it mean that my track has too much bass? and should I do something about it? or does it matter at all? The track I made today that made me do this topic: |
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yes it means that there's too much bass if you use good equalization techniques, and master the track well you can make the frequencies more varied. i found that my early tracks were very bass heavy, but once i started using compression and some eq, i found my tracks to be showing more variance over the whole frequency spectrum |
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but I really feel it's hard to get the mastered tracks to sound as "full" as the demo... It's like the feeling get's lost or something |
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oh, and if you want your tracks to be "safe" for play on all systems, yes it does matter about the frequency range of your track say you take that bass heavy track to a studio with some very expensive monitors, and you've got the levels on the playback device up quite loud - you'll end up blowing them (as i nearly found out in college!) you need to eq your track, so that you've got a "safe" frequency range, it also allows for a greater listening experience usually too :) |
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i know what you mean, i'm experiencing that myself compression can make a track seem too flat i'm not too up on my compression techniques, but i'm sure if you just used a bit of eq here and there and put a limiter on the whole track, you'd still get the punch, with the added benefit of safety (and i'm guessing you'd like to play the track loud without your speaker casing reverberating!) |
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btw...I found that if I take a "bassy" track and put singing on it, the singing voice can fill up the empty frequency-space... I know that adding more things can even out the sound, but I have also seen pro-musicians that makes tracks that are too bass-heavy... So what I'm really trying to say is: If it sounds good, does it then matter? |
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yes, but the pro-musicians still have to make sure that the track is safe to play on their equipment, and home equipment otherwise they'd end up blowing their equipment, and the listeners! i'm sure that when a track is released on a label, it is checked to make sure that it has a safe frequency range - otherwise the label and artist would be susceptible to many lawsuits involving angry owners of stereo equipment that got blown by their track :) |
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I have some really good compression-plugins that let me see, visually, what areas I need to work on. But as you say, they can also end making the track too flat |
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*wonders if Aaron Funk got such lawsuites* ;) |
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I very much doubt that any lawsuits have resulted from blown speakers. Just because a track is released commercially, doesn't mean the creator has any responsibility for the stereo equipment of the listener. *cough*merzbow*cough* |
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as i said, i'm not too great at compression myself, but i have read somewhere in xlt about using a LITTLE compression, and making more use of limiters and eq to boost the track therefore you still get the dynamic range that you want |
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i'm sure though that when a track is sent off for final mastering, it is checked for frequency range i'd have thought so anyways |
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Have anyone got any comments to this track in general? |
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Hehe, i don't doubt that it is. I bet it's not a legal requirement though. |
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yes, there's loads of bass here :) i can see that is the point of this track, so i think all you need to do really is use a little bit of eq, just to make sure that you get rid of super-uber-low frequencies as long as you're not clipping out anywhere else in the track, this sounds totally fine mate :) but then again i AM listening on laptop speakers, so they don't have much bass response |
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well you know what labels are like, especially the big ones if there's a chance that they could be sued by loads of people because a track that they released wasn't "Quality Controlled" to make sure that it was safe to play on all home systems at "responsible sound levels", they'd make sure that they QC'd the tracks :) |
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thanks for the review as for listening on a laptop, I can only say GET YOU HEADPHONES ON *hehe* |
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i shall *gets headphones* |
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i have listened through headphones, and it's very good :) i don't think that you'd have a safety issue here, although i cannot be deemed judge&jury because i don't have pro-listening equipment but lets put it this way, i have my volume up full blast and there was no distortion anywhere in the track very well done mate is this finished yet? it seems a bit abrupt at the end |
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far from finished...and the pre-mentioned singing-idea is definately a factor in future operation ;) I'm also thinking of making more symphony-sounds (like the cello)... dunno if you have listened to any other of my demo's, but you should definatly check |
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2 words MASTERING HOUSE Give a guy 500$ and your shit will sound nuts. Buh bye! |
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i actually think that the track works very well as it is by singing-idea do you mean actual vocals, or some synths that have a "voice-like" quality? i'm checking out childish chill, you seem to have some very cool melodic ideas :) i wish i could do melodies i'm SO bad at melodies |
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I would prefer to learn it myself thank you very much :P |
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no, i mean actual recorded vocals. A friend of mine has a soundbox :) since I bought my 5-string bass (been playing bass for approx. 8 years) I have come up with a lot more cooler melodies. |
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ahh, well i think it works well as an instrumental, but it'd be interesting what it'd sound like with vocals too would you have the vocals straight, or modified (as in cut-ups here and there)? |
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a mixture I think...like start out with normal vocals and then use some effect (like cuts and granulizer) throughout the track... think it would fit in quite nicely in that way...some snares and hat would also help ofcourss :) |
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oh yes, that sounds doubleplusgood :) be sure to post the finished work so that we can all listen |
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I'm working on something now. Got some tracks lined up for an album or ep, and approx. a 20-30 minutes live-set (which I haven't tried to play live yet) with me playing bass to the electronic music i make :) Both will be onlined when time comes |
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sounds really really good as soon as my machine gets back from servicing i'm going to be starting work on an EP or an album, and i'd love to be able to play live :) trouble is though i could really do with more equipment i'm not going to go down the line of just using Ableton in a live setup - i wanna use hardware samplers, synths, and computers - i see the computer as an aid in live setups, not the whole setup itsellf :) hey, you aren't squarepusher by any chance, what with the live bass+electronica? |
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"I would prefer to learn it myself thank you very much :P" I didnt mean so much from a knowledge standpoint as I meant a gear standpoint. A 56 track neve console with $20 000 worth of pre amps etc can make a difference. Anyway I don't give a shit, whatever I was just saying my own 2 cents. |
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here is an example of one of a work-in-progress as you can see, it probably needs a lot of work in regard to compression and mastering |
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nope...i'm not Mr. Jenkinson, but I probly love to play bass as much as him...if not even more. He's a good inspiration for such projects though :) I'm probly just gonna play track from a (borrowed) laptop, while jammin' along with my bass on stage. Thinking of buying a M-Audio OZONE, since I need all the function it contains to record my bass properly at home. |
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My friend, you have easily the best avatar on this board. |
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a neve console isn't required for mastering purposes though really all you need is a good mastering suite but yes, getting it done on good equipment does sound the shiznit as Junktion says though, it'd give many people greater satisfaction to be able to do it themselves and have the pride to be able to say "i did EVERYTHING for this track" :) |
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Very industrial like. It has good full sound to it. It's funny how you used the "The Bomb"-sample when you expect "I got the power" ;) Drums @ 2:03 has power. Would be cool if you, in one of the drumloops, muted the whole track between the drumhits. |
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thank you :) i like industrial stuff i might try doing that......i have used that technique in a couple of my older tracks.......as i say it's a work in progress, so i'm sure it'll get changed round a lot! lol i wanna make the drum programming more extensive though........i'm not happy with how simple it is at the moment.....i'll have to wrack my head when i get my machine back thanks for listening mate |
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my wave thingt in winamp says it's way too loud. in floops the monitor is red all the time too, as well as on the mixing table. yet i hear no clipping or distortion: so everything's fine? |
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thingy |
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i mean the waves get cut off instead off being sinusoids |
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