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offline mortsto-x from Trondheim/Bodø (Norway) on 2004-06-21 04:26 [#01249389]
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What should a newbie buy? I was thinking about some of
those Kodak Easy Share cameras, but the guy at the computer
shop of course told me to buy a camera that would cost me
twice. What should I look for?
What I know
3 Megapixels or more
3xdigital zoom or more

Other things? Suggestions?


 

offline Drunken Mastah from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2004-06-21 04:27 [#01249390]
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it depends.. are you planning on using it for holiday-photos
and stuff, or are you a "newbie" in the sense that you want
to have it as a hobby or something?


 

offline gack from the middle of nowhere (Germany) on 2004-06-21 04:30 [#01249391]
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the most important thing: the camera sould have an OPTICAL
ZOOM. digital zoom is crap. 3 megapixels will be sufficient
for amateur usage.


 

offline _awt_ from Malmö (Sweden) on 2004-06-21 04:31 [#01249392]
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im quite sure u will need to pay quite allot to even get a
decent one.. it's just that type of product, i have friends
that have loads of cheap/half cheap ones and theyre.. Ok for
holiday photos as Drunken said, but if you wan anything
more, then you gotta be prepared to throw up some more
cash... it's like that with many products today.. and it
sucks =D

good morning


 

offline JAroen from the pineal gland on 2004-06-21 04:32 [#01249393]
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Youll want one with buttons and such. Those are convenient


 

offline mortsto-x from Trondheim/Bodø (Norway) on 2004-06-21 04:32 [#01249394]
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It means that I'm not a DigiCam geek who want to spend
10.000 NOK on some high-tek camera. I want to take holiday
pics, pics of my pet, pics of my niese and pics of my drunk
friends.


 

offline Drunken Mastah from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2004-06-21 04:36 [#01249397]
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then go for that one.. or.. try to avoid the digital zoom as
gack said.. digital zoom is really crap, 'cause it isn't
even zoom.. they just enlarge the picture.


 

offline horsefactory from 💠 (United Kingdom) on 2004-06-21 04:40 [#01249403]
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casio qv-r40


 

offline ftc from Australia on 2004-06-21 08:19 [#01249683]
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i just bought a sony cybershot DSC-U30

it's only 2 megapixels, and has no zoom... but it was cheap
and it's fucking tiny...

therefore i don't have to actually "take it" with me, i just
keep it in my pocket all the time like my phone, which means
i always have it on me and therefore take about 5 times more
photos that i would otherwise. also don't have to worry
about loosing/damaging it too much as i can buy another one
fairly cheaply. the photo quality is pretty good for only
2mp and a tiny camera, and on my 128 meg memory stick i can
take about 240 photos in 2megapixels. rockin.

i was considering spending more for a small 4 or 5mp camera,
but i'm happy i got this one. if i had a more expensive one
i'd be less likely to take it to clubs/pubs n shit.

and oh yeah, don't buy kodak digital cameras, they're
plasticy crappy toys from what i've seen. kodak is a film
company, not so much an electronics company.


 

offline gack from the middle of nowhere (Germany) on 2004-06-21 08:35 [#01249692]
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i´m very happy with this one



 

offline Ganymede from Tlön, Uqbar, Orbis Tertius on 2004-06-21 09:16 [#01249712]
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You can't go wrong with anything in the Canon PowerShot
series.


 

offline tolstoyed from the ocean on 2004-06-21 09:17 [#01249714]
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sony dsc v1.


 

offline mortsto-x from Trondheim/Bodø (Norway) on 2004-06-21 09:18 [#01249716]
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Canon seem to be expensive compared to other cameras. Are
they better?


 

offline Paco from Gothenburg (Sweden) on 2004-06-21 09:28 [#01249725]
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All small/cheap digital cameras have the same weakness: the
small sensor. One of the most common CCD sizes is 1/2.7".
That is 5.2mm x 3.9mm!

Here, read this

Also, digital zoom is useless. You'll want to go for OPTICAL
zoom. Zoom that is done with lenses rather than enlargement
in software. You can do digital zooming in photoshop :)

Check out the Minolta XG. A friend at work has one. It's
very small and has 3x optical zoom and 3 Mpixels.



 

offline epohs from )C: on 2004-06-21 09:43 [#01249731]
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yeah, i'd go canon a70, or a80. i've been really impressed
with their quality/price ratio.


 

offline Paco from Gothenburg (Sweden) on 2004-06-21 09:44 [#01249735]
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I've seen this baby alot in Euro2004. It's usually the
close-up action lens for the press at the games. It's not
even 3x zoom, but somehow the shots turn out tack sharp
anyway. Maybe it was invented before the 3x-technology :)



 

offline Paco from Gothenburg (Sweden) on 2004-06-21 09:46 [#01249739]
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hmm..strange filename?


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offline epohs from )C: on 2004-06-21 09:49 [#01249746]
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keep in mind that there are lots of things that go into
picture quality other than megapixel rating. lense quality,
and firmware are super important. an 8 megapixel camera may
not neccessarily take better shots than a 6 megapixel
camera.

i have a kodak dc3600 i believe. it takes fairly good
shots. more than acceptable for use on the web. but, it's
not as sharp as i wish it was, especially in low light.


 

offline Paco from Gothenburg (Sweden) on 2004-06-21 09:59 [#01249762]
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Yes, but consumers only see the "5 MEGAPIXELS!" label and
buy. It doesn't matter that it takes noisier photos than the
4 MPix predecessor. This happened with some recent Canon
models (S50?).


 

offline mortsto-x from Trondheim/Bodø (Norway) on 2004-06-21 10:04 [#01249765]
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But what kind of newbie knows about lense quality? Not me
for sure


 

offline epohs from )C: on 2004-06-21 10:07 [#01249767]
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that's why you gotta do a little reading and research. the
only reason i mentioned that is so that you wouldn't fall
victim to the more megapixels = better camera trick.


 

offline tolstoyed from the ocean on 2004-06-21 10:09 [#01249768]
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you know, expensive cameras are expensive for a reason. you
can't go wrong picking the most expensive one!


 

offline horsefactory from 💠 (United Kingdom) on 2004-06-21 10:09 [#01249769]
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href="http://www.megapixel.net/reviews/casioqvr40/qvr40-rev
Seriously, I recommend the QV-R40. No one
seems to talk about Casio cameras but this one is fucking
hardcore. It's cheap too.


 

offline epohs from )C: on 2004-06-21 10:09 [#01249770]
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more than you probably want to read:

part I
part II
part III


 

offline horsefactory from 💠 (United Kingdom) on 2004-06-21 10:09 [#01249772]
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fuck you


 

offline Ophecks from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2004-06-21 10:15 [#01249778]
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I'm the ultimate beginner. I've got a Canon Powershot a200
3.3 megapixel, and I absolutely love it. Got a ridiculous
price on it... they can be had for peanuts.


 

offline horsefactory from 💠 (United Kingdom) on 2004-06-21 10:18 [#01249782]
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You look like Josh Homme


 

offline Paco from Gothenburg (Sweden) on 2004-06-21 10:33 [#01249790]
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Two things that get really annoying after a while when using
a camera.

1. Slow start-up time.
2. Long delay between pressing the shutter and the actual
"click!".

Look for these issues and test before buying or read tests.


 

offline Paco from Gothenburg (Sweden) on 2004-06-21 10:55 [#01249801]
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Mortso, if you read the lens specs, it might say 35-105mm
f/2.8-4.5.

The last numbers are the largest possible aperture at each
end of the focal length (f/2.8 at wide angle 35mm and f/4.5
at 105mm). The smaller the number, the better. A 2.8 is
pretty fast, meaning it lets through a good amount of light.


With real cameras like SLR's and so on, it also means you
can have a shorter depth of focus. This is great for
portraits where the person is in focus and the background is
blurred. (This isn't possible with compact digitals because
of the small sensor size.)

I don't think I've ever seen a compact digital with anything
better than f/2.0. My Olympus 35RD (film) from 1979 for
example has a 40mm lens with a largest possible aperture of
f/1.7, which is pretty damn good :)

You'd have to do macro photography to be able to have a
short focus with a small sensor.





 

offline Ganymede from Tlön, Uqbar, Orbis Tertius on 2004-06-21 12:38 [#01249936]
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As epohs said, the reason that I like the Canons is because
of the quality to price ratio. The lenses that they include
are quite good, and the built-in Digic software does a great
job of setting the parameters when the camera is on full
auto mode.

They're also quite expandable. When/if you want to take the
camera off of auto, you can tweak the settings to your
heart's delight. They also support additional lenses and
filters if you want to explore that.


 

offline mortsto-x from Trondheim/Bodø (Norway) on 2004-06-21 14:51 [#01250089]
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Ok. Thanks for the info, guys.

Horsefactory: WTF?


 

offline elusive from detroit (United States) on 2004-06-21 17:56 [#01250325]
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mortsto, for what yer looking for:

2MP used to be a good deal, but now 3MP have come down in
price to 2MP levels as of last year, and this is def
required for printing out photos later on.

3x optical is usually a standard in the mid-range cameras.

www.dpreview.com

and steves-digital cams (google it) will offer excellent
reviews and photos.

let us kno which one yer looking at and we'll check it out
ourselves for ya


 

offline evolume from seattle (United States) on 2004-06-21 18:15 [#01250347]
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this is my camera.
it does video and photo on mini dv or memory card.
it's got 11x optical zoom and 220x digi zoom.

lots o bells and whistles.
i think it's dope. but it put a huge dent in the credit
card.


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offline mortsto-x from Trondheim/Bodø (Norway) on 2004-07-07 12:07 [#01269129]
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Got me a Nikon Coolpix 3700, and took this picture. Damn,
I'm good


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offline JAroen from the pineal gland on 2004-07-07 12:09 [#01269134]
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get a TI-83+


 

offline elusive from detroit (United States) on 2004-07-07 13:09 [#01269214]
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y


 

offline JAroen from the pineal gland on 2004-07-07 13:14 [#01269220]
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its good


 


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