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mortsto-x
from Trondheim/Bodø (Norway) on 2004-06-21 04:26 [#01249389]
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What should a newbie buy? I was thinking about some of those Kodak Easy Share cameras, but the guy at the computer shop of course told me to buy a camera that would cost me twice. What should I look for?
What I know 3 Megapixels or more 3xdigital zoom or more
Other things? Suggestions?
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2004-06-21 04:27 [#01249390]
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it depends.. are you planning on using it for holiday-photos and stuff, or are you a "newbie" in the sense that you want to have it as a hobby or something?
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gack
from the middle of nowhere (Germany) on 2004-06-21 04:30 [#01249391]
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the most important thing: the camera sould have an OPTICAL ZOOM. digital zoom is crap. 3 megapixels will be sufficient for amateur usage.
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_awt_
from Malmö (Sweden) on 2004-06-21 04:31 [#01249392]
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im quite sure u will need to pay quite allot to even get a decent one.. it's just that type of product, i have friends that have loads of cheap/half cheap ones and theyre.. Ok for holiday photos as Drunken said, but if you wan anything more, then you gotta be prepared to throw up some more cash... it's like that with many products today.. and it sucks =D
good morning
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JAroen
from the pineal gland on 2004-06-21 04:32 [#01249393]
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Youll want one with buttons and such. Those are convenient
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mortsto-x
from Trondheim/Bodø (Norway) on 2004-06-21 04:32 [#01249394]
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It means that I'm not a DigiCam geek who want to spend 10.000 NOK on some high-tek camera. I want to take holiday pics, pics of my pet, pics of my niese and pics of my drunk friends.
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2004-06-21 04:36 [#01249397]
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then go for that one.. or.. try to avoid the digital zoom as gack said.. digital zoom is really crap, 'cause it isn't even zoom.. they just enlarge the picture.
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horsefactory
from 💠 (United Kingdom) on 2004-06-21 04:40 [#01249403]
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casio qv-r40
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ftc
from Australia on 2004-06-21 08:19 [#01249683]
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i just bought a sony cybershot DSC-U30
it's only 2 megapixels, and has no zoom... but it was cheap and it's fucking tiny...
therefore i don't have to actually "take it" with me, i just keep it in my pocket all the time like my phone, which means i always have it on me and therefore take about 5 times more photos that i would otherwise. also don't have to worry about loosing/damaging it too much as i can buy another one fairly cheaply. the photo quality is pretty good for only 2mp and a tiny camera, and on my 128 meg memory stick i can take about 240 photos in 2megapixels. rockin.
i was considering spending more for a small 4 or 5mp camera, but i'm happy i got this one. if i had a more expensive one i'd be less likely to take it to clubs/pubs n shit.
and oh yeah, don't buy kodak digital cameras, they're plasticy crappy toys from what i've seen. kodak is a film company, not so much an electronics company.
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gack
from the middle of nowhere (Germany) on 2004-06-21 08:35 [#01249692]
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i´m very happy with this one
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Ganymede
from Tlön, Uqbar, Orbis Tertius on 2004-06-21 09:16 [#01249712]
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You can't go wrong with anything in the Canon PowerShot series.
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2004-06-21 09:17 [#01249714]
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sony dsc v1.
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mortsto-x
from Trondheim/Bodø (Norway) on 2004-06-21 09:18 [#01249716]
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Canon seem to be expensive compared to other cameras. Are they better?
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Paco
from Gothenburg (Sweden) on 2004-06-21 09:28 [#01249725]
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All small/cheap digital cameras have the same weakness: the small sensor. One of the most common CCD sizes is 1/2.7". That is 5.2mm x 3.9mm!
Here, read this
Also, digital zoom is useless. You'll want to go for OPTICAL zoom. Zoom that is done with lenses rather than enlargement in software. You can do digital zooming in photoshop :)
Check out the Minolta XG. A friend at work has one. It's very small and has 3x optical zoom and 3 Mpixels.
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epohs
from )C: on 2004-06-21 09:43 [#01249731]
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yeah, i'd go canon a70, or a80. i've been really impressed with their quality/price ratio.
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Paco
from Gothenburg (Sweden) on 2004-06-21 09:44 [#01249735]
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I've seen this baby alot in Euro2004. It's usually the close-up action lens for the press at the games. It's not even 3x zoom, but somehow the shots turn out tack sharp anyway. Maybe it was invented before the 3x-technology :)
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Paco
from Gothenburg (Sweden) on 2004-06-21 09:46 [#01249739]
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hmm..strange filename?
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epohs
from )C: on 2004-06-21 09:49 [#01249746]
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keep in mind that there are lots of things that go into picture quality other than megapixel rating. lense quality, and firmware are super important. an 8 megapixel camera may not neccessarily take better shots than a 6 megapixel camera.
i have a kodak dc3600 i believe. it takes fairly good shots. more than acceptable for use on the web. but, it's not as sharp as i wish it was, especially in low light.
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Paco
from Gothenburg (Sweden) on 2004-06-21 09:59 [#01249762]
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Yes, but consumers only see the "5 MEGAPIXELS!" label and buy. It doesn't matter that it takes noisier photos than the 4 MPix predecessor. This happened with some recent Canon models (S50?).
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mortsto-x
from Trondheim/Bodø (Norway) on 2004-06-21 10:04 [#01249765]
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But what kind of newbie knows about lense quality? Not me for sure
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epohs
from )C: on 2004-06-21 10:07 [#01249767]
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that's why you gotta do a little reading and research. the only reason i mentioned that is so that you wouldn't fall victim to the more megapixels = better camera trick.
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2004-06-21 10:09 [#01249768]
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you know, expensive cameras are expensive for a reason. you can't go wrong picking the most expensive one!
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horsefactory
from 💠 (United Kingdom) on 2004-06-21 10:09 [#01249769]
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href="http://www.megapixel.net/reviews/casioqvr40/qvr40-rev Seriously, I recommend the QV-R40. No one seems to talk about Casio cameras but this one is fucking hardcore. It's cheap too.
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epohs
from )C: on 2004-06-21 10:09 [#01249770]
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more than you probably want to read:
part I part II part III
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horsefactory
from 💠 (United Kingdom) on 2004-06-21 10:09 [#01249772]
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fuck you
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Ophecks
from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2004-06-21 10:15 [#01249778]
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I'm the ultimate beginner. I've got a Canon Powershot a200 3.3 megapixel, and I absolutely love it. Got a ridiculous price on it... they can be had for peanuts.
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horsefactory
from 💠 (United Kingdom) on 2004-06-21 10:18 [#01249782]
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You look like Josh Homme
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Paco
from Gothenburg (Sweden) on 2004-06-21 10:33 [#01249790]
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Two things that get really annoying after a while when using a camera.
1. Slow start-up time. 2. Long delay between pressing the shutter and the actual "click!".
Look for these issues and test before buying or read tests.
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Paco
from Gothenburg (Sweden) on 2004-06-21 10:55 [#01249801]
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Mortso, if you read the lens specs, it might say 35-105mm f/2.8-4.5.
The last numbers are the largest possible aperture at each end of the focal length (f/2.8 at wide angle 35mm and f/4.5 at 105mm). The smaller the number, the better. A 2.8 is pretty fast, meaning it lets through a good amount of light.
With real cameras like SLR's and so on, it also means you can have a shorter depth of focus. This is great for portraits where the person is in focus and the background is blurred. (This isn't possible with compact digitals because of the small sensor size.)
I don't think I've ever seen a compact digital with anything better than f/2.0. My Olympus 35RD (film) from 1979 for example has a 40mm lens with a largest possible aperture of f/1.7, which is pretty damn good :)
You'd have to do macro photography to be able to have a short focus with a small sensor.
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Ganymede
from Tlön, Uqbar, Orbis Tertius on 2004-06-21 12:38 [#01249936]
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As epohs said, the reason that I like the Canons is because of the quality to price ratio. The lenses that they include are quite good, and the built-in Digic software does a great job of setting the parameters when the camera is on full auto mode.
They're also quite expandable. When/if you want to take the camera off of auto, you can tweak the settings to your heart's delight. They also support additional lenses and filters if you want to explore that.
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mortsto-x
from Trondheim/Bodø (Norway) on 2004-06-21 14:51 [#01250089]
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Ok. Thanks for the info, guys.
Horsefactory: WTF?
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elusive
from detroit (United States) on 2004-06-21 17:56 [#01250325]
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mortsto, for what yer looking for:
2MP used to be a good deal, but now 3MP have come down in price to 2MP levels as of last year, and this is def required for printing out photos later on.
3x optical is usually a standard in the mid-range cameras.
www.dpreview.com
and steves-digital cams (google it) will offer excellent reviews and photos.
let us kno which one yer looking at and we'll check it out ourselves for ya
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evolume
from seattle (United States) on 2004-06-21 18:15 [#01250347]
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this is my camera. it does video and photo on mini dv or memory card. it's got 11x optical zoom and 220x digi zoom.
lots o bells and whistles. i think it's dope. but it put a huge dent in the credit card.
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mortsto-x
from Trondheim/Bodø (Norway) on 2004-07-07 12:07 [#01269129]
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Got me a Nikon Coolpix 3700, and took this picture. Damn, I'm good
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JAroen
from the pineal gland on 2004-07-07 12:09 [#01269134]
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get a TI-83+
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elusive
from detroit (United States) on 2004-07-07 13:09 [#01269214]
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y
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JAroen
from the pineal gland on 2004-07-07 13:14 [#01269220]
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its good
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